Why Baptists Refuse to Believe I Once was a Christian

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My story poses a real problem for Baptists.  According to Baptist soteriology (doctrines pertaining to salvation) , once a person is saved, born again, becomes a Christian, they can never lose their salvation. This belief is called, once saved always saved, eternal security or the perseverance/preservation of the saints.

All Baptists, except Free-will Baptists, believe that once a person is saved they can do nothing to lose their salvation. John 10:28, 29 says:

And I (Jesus) give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.  My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

This is why some Baptists believe I am still saved. No matter what I do, Jesus will never disown me. No matter how much I blaspheme God, Jesus was never leave me or forsake me.

It is like getting  married without having any provision for divorce. Once married, you are married for life. No matter what the husband or wife does, be it adultery or physical abuse, their marriage can not be dissolved, Once married, always married.

So it is for me. No matter what  I say or do, I am still saved. God might chastise me or even kill me, but there is nothing I can do to get God to let me out of my eternal life contract.

Of course, this kind of thinking is silly and some Baptists realize this. They take a different approach to my life. Instead of once saved, always saved, they say, I never was saved.  According to them, I never really put my faith and trust in Jesus Christ. While I may have outwardly given evidence that I was saved, inwardly I knew that I really wasn’t.

They believe that I lived from the age of five through the age of fifty a life of deception. My becoming an atheist is proof to them that I never really was a Christian. In their mind, I always was an atheist.

In a post titled, The Logical Consequences of You Never were a Christian, I wrote:

People who believe a Christian can not fall from grace are forced to dismiss me as a life-long deceptive, servant of Satan. Basically, for 36 years I deceived every Christian, every church member,  every pastor, every Evangelist, every Christian college professor I came in contact with, and most of all I deceived my entire Christian family.

No one, over a span of 36 years, ever said “Bruce Gerencser is not a Christian.”  Think about this for a moment. Think of the deception necessary to pull this off.

  • I preached thousands of sermons…all preached in the power of the flesh.
  • I  prayed thousands of prayers, none of which were ever heard by God.
  • Hundreds of people who made professions of faith did so after hearing the preaching of a deceiver, a worker for Satan.
  • Hundreds of people who were baptized by me were baptized by a charlatan, a deceiver, a man who rejected the Baptismal vows confessed during a baptism.
  • I counseled hundreds of people over the years. Every person I counseled received counsel from a false prophet.
  • Every moment spent in private prayer, every moment spent in devoted study of the Word of God…….all the time spent in devotion to the living Christ was spent as a person no better than Judas.

Baptists are in bondage to their theology. To admit I once was a Christian means that their belief about eternal security is false. So, instead of admitting that people like me once were Christians, they search for defects in my story, and they exploit these defects to show I really never was saved. (as recent commenter Ross attempted to do)

Years ago, I was co-pastor of Community Baptist Church in Elmendorf, Texas. When we moved from Ohio to Texas, another family, Larry and Linda Johnson,  moved with us.

Every person joining the church had to give a credible testimony of faith in Jesus Christ. Larry  told his “salvation” story to  Pat Horner, my fellow pastor, and Pat became alarmed over what Larry told him. Larry used language to describe his faith that most people didn’t use. He talked more about God than he did Jesus. Pat took this as evidence  Larry might not really know Jesus.  I assured him this was not the case. Larry was a decent man who took matters of faith seriously.

So it is with some Baptists who read this blog. Instead of accepting my story at face value, they look for things in my story that don’t line up with their own experience and they conclude I never really was saved,

They go to great lengths to deconstruct my life, poking and prodding, looking for anything that will invalidate my claim of once being a Christian. And guess what, they always find what they are looking for. Take the recent commenter named Ross. The defect he thinks he found is that I never really repented. No matter what I say, he knows I never really repented and if I never repented I never was a Christian.

When a person is committed to upholding certain theological belief at all costs, they end up thinking and saying things that are silly. So it is when people say I never was saved. (or that I am still saved)

The only way we can judge the validity of a person’s life is by how they live. I told parishioners countless times over the years, we given evidence of faith in Christ by how we live not by what we say we believe. This fact seems to be forgotten by my critics. Look at my life as a Christian and as a pastor, What in my conduct and lifestyle remotely suggests I was not saved? If I wasn’t a Christian then it is fair to ask if anyone is.

Part of the problem is that I am willing to talk about my failures as a Christian and as a pastor.  I am willing to admit that I sinned, that I did things considered wrong by most Baptists. These confessions are taken as “proof” that I never was saved. Evidently, the perfection standard applies only to Jesus and Bruce Gerencser. None of the people I pastored or the men I considered colleagues in the ministry were perfect.  Because they are still professing Christian means they are judged by a different standard than I am.They are allowed to be sinful, yet saved, but I am not.

Thousands of people read this blog. Many readers are former Evangelicals. If I asked them what was the one thing that offended them the most they would likely say, Christians who dismiss my life saying I never was a Christian. Christians fail to see, or don’t care, how offensive such a line of thinking is.

Put the shoe on the other foot. Suppose atheists began going through a Christian’s life with a fine tooth comb, pointing out discrepancies or contradictions in their life story. Imagine being told, it is evident you never really were saved. I suspect they would be quite offended by such a statement.

I know that this post will do nothing to change the mind of people who think I never was saved.  Until they are willing to look beyond their theology and look at me as a human being, they will continue to make outlandish statements about my life.

18 thoughts on “Why Baptists Refuse to Believe I Once was a Christian

  1. Ami

    But you weren’t saved. Since there is no one or no being to save you (other than yourself) you were not saved. You were deluded, just like millions and millions of ‘Christians’. Now you are encumbered with fewer delusions. That’s all.

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  2. Michael Mock

    So, wait… they’re going to argue that God let you believe that you were saved when you really weren’t… for thirty-six years? Do they have any idea how that makes God look?

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    1. Bruce Gerencser Post author

      Astute thought, Michael. Just think, I heard thousands of sermons, preached thousands of sermons, read the Bible thousands of hours, read hundreds of theology books, attended thousands of church services….and for all that God never saved me. (after all, isn’t really God’s fault since no one can be saved unless GOD saved them?) :) Of course, the Calvinist just says, you are not one of the elect. End of story. Arminians, at least, give me credit for actually being what I say I was. From their perspective people can be saved and lose it. They argue over whether or not I can ever be saved again. (Hebrews 6)

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    2. Lynn

      Exactly! Is God up there laughing at thousands of sincere people who dedicate their lives to him, while he secretly knows they are not elect?

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  3. unapologist

    1. You are saved by faith alone in Jesus and others know you’re saved by the way you live your life.
    2. Yet if you don’t live your life by certain standards that you didn’t know about at the time you were saved, then you’re not truly saved.
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    3. Therefore no one can ever be certain they are saved.

    (I think premise 2 might be a little off but theology gives me a headache)

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      1. Bruce Gerencser Post author

        If I remember my Seventh-Day Adventist theology…don’t they believe there is a investigatory judgment at the end and that’s where our final destination is determined? We had a couple of Seventh-Day Adventists attend our church in West Unity for awhile. It was strange. I got the feeling they thought we were ignorant and they were sent there to “educate” us. They left after they found out we were quite happy to be ignorant Baptists. ;)

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    1. Bruce Gerencser Post author

      I think, based on what a read in the Bible, that no one can really ever know 100% for certain they are saved. Until they die…they can’t know for sure. They can “hope” they are right…but…maybe they were deceived like I was. :)

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  4. ... Zoe ~

    Twenty years in the Baptist church (IFB Canadian) and the only Christians that ever doubted another Christian’s salvation, including the salvation of their own (fellow Baptists) were . . . Baptists.

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  5. Margo

    Here’s what I don’t get…you were raised in a Christian tradition, right? You spent your childhood & adolescence in the Church, correct? You somewhere along the line accept Christ, right? Then you went on to be a Pastor for 36 years. Until you came to your own Reason & Unbelief you were a Christian…your whole life! But now that you’ve left, you never really were? They will say anything just so they can maintain their flawed belief system.

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    1. Bruce Gerencser Post author

      Pretty well sums it up. The amount of deception required to pull off a fake Christian life for over 35 years is well beyond my abilities. I am a terrible liar who can’t keep secrets.

      Maybe God used his powers to make me think I was a Christian. Since he knows everything…he knew I would never be a Christian and in love he allowed hundreds of people to have a pastor who wasn’t even a Christian. What an awesome God.

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  7. Quy

    Hi Bruce. I am glad you made the distinction that those who say you were never saved are calvinist Baptists. Your life is evidence and contradict their silly, illogical thinking. As you demonstrate to anyone reading your blog that a certain group of people are captured by an inconsistent ideology wrapped in christian terminology and will believe the most ridiculous idea that is fed to them.

    As a Christian, I believed you once trusted Jesus and now by your own reasoning, you no longer trust Him and departed. You believe now that he is simply a man. This is simple fact.

    Regarding Arminians arguing over the passage in Hebrew, that is unfortunate. Jesus welcomes all who come to Him, even those who once followed Him and then deny Him later. The example of Peter is proof. Jesus Heart is Big and Gracious enough to reconcile people back to Him.

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    1. Bruce Gerencser Post author

      Of course Arminians are no better. :) They fall in and out of grace and no one can state exactly when someone is out of grace. (and I have asked Arminians this question many times)

      The problem is that Calvinist and Arminian alike find proof for their theology in the Bible. The Calvinist starts with there is no free will. The Arminian starts with there is free will. Both believe no one can be saved unless God saves them. Seems quite confusing, with both side sure that their system is the correct one.

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  8. Wendy

    If you or I can wake up one day and not believe (so to speak), then maybe they will, too. I think that’s incredibly scary to Christians who earnestly practice their faith every day.

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