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Life in the Creationist Bubble: The Hamites Respond

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Several years ago, I wrote a post that was a response to a short article written by Ken Ham. Ken loved my post so much that he posted it on his Facebook timeline. I guess I should go all-Christian here and say, WOO HOO. Getting the word out!!!!

As always, the comments on Facebook were entertaining. Here are a few of them:

Good reminder of what most of our world believes…

Wow. What willful ignorance. Need to pray.

Thanks for sharing! Our God is GREATER! No weapon formed against you shall prosper,And every tongue which rises against you in judgment You shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, And their righteousness is from Me,” Says the Lord. Isaiah 54:17 New King James Version (NKJV)

What a sad, sad man. It is the ultimate in arrogance and conceit for a non-believer to claim they know anything about God or His word. There are so many holes in his statements big enough to drive a Mack truck through. I wonder if anyone has challenged the same tired false statements every secularist glories in perpetuating. How does one pray for such a man except to pray, “Lord, open his eyes.” :-(

Need to pray for Bruce, that God will pierce his heart with the truth…..a fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. (Proverbs 18:2)

It’s funny, you can almost see him squirming while he is writing this lol. Basically doing everything he can to run away from God and his accountability before God, but his conscience won’t let him. It’s certainly interesting to see life from a humanists perspective and, like everyone else, just hates God.  It’s interesting to note that he hasn’t got much wrong about your views – the problem is, I agree with them where he clearly hates them. Putting his own views before God’s and living by his own standards. It’s certainly telling as to where society is at these days.

I guess he chooses to ignore Colossians 2:9.

What a sad report. We in South Ga will still fight and spread the teachings of the Bible. Jesus was perfect, he is perfect! The Bible has never changed. We will pray for the lost. The writer of this article is a lost soul and unfortunately many people will listen to him. Satan and his army roams the earth today and we are in spiritual warfare. We must be ready and studied to defend our faith and share God’s word.

I posted a comment, I hope that it starts the road to clearer thinking for this guy. Sinful arogance is REALLY difficult to swallow. But Ken, if people hate you this much then know you suffer with the Lord, which is worth it!

You are right – by knowing what they are “preaching”, we can be more specific in our prayers. But the heresy represented here is frightening.

Sad, reading his bio, he claims to be a former pastor who turned his back on God.

Remeber Ken, if the world hates you, remember it has hated Him first.

Very neat article. Makes one realize that the humanists have the same goal as Christians do (influence the younger generations). The sad part is, his argument is fairly good for uneducated Christians….

Secular humanism changes all the time but God’s Word stays the same.

Quite evident he has not actually read or studied the Bible. There is no greater freedom than being in Christ!!!!!

Just wrote a quick response to him on his blog. Man this guy is lost!

I read part of it, but had to stop. Obviously, the writer’s mind is blinded.

Well what is sad is that the author presents in information in such a compelling way that the uninformed or uneducated could easily buy into his arguments.

It’s painful to read these kinds of posts because it reminds me of me when I was living in ignorance of the Truth. God, battle for Bruce’s soul Lord, and please turn Bruce from darkness to light. Draw Him with the great love of your perfect Son and His cross, and plant your word in His heart, In Jesus name, Amen.

Oh my word, this brought tears to my eyes and broke my heart. Come quickly, Lord Jesus.

“Ham is a God said it and I believe it Christian.” That may be the single nicest thing anyone has said about anyone else while trying to insult them.

Published: August 1, 2014 | Comments: 3

Ken Ham is an Atheist

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I know this is shocking news, but when it comes to life existing on other planets, Ken Ham, of Answers in Genesis fame, is an atheist. In fact, he is a strong atheist, certain that life ONLY exists of Planet Earth. Christian Post, using a headline of “Ken Ham Clarifies ‘Aliens in Hell’ Headlines; Says He Does Not Believe Extraterrestrial Life Exists” had this to say:

Creation Museum CEO Ken Ham has clarified a number of recent media headlines that claimed he said “aliens are going to hell” by stating that he never said such a thing, and that he does not believe God created extraterrestrial life.

“I gave a theological reason why not. Understanding the Gospel that God’s son became a man, became a descendent of Adam, became the God-man and remains the God-man our Savior, and that only humans can be saved — so obviously Jesus did not become a God-klingon, he became a God-man,” Ham said in an interview with fellow creationist Ray Comfort on “The Comfort Zone,” posted Wednesday.

Following a blog post on Answers in Genesis, where Ham criticized NASA’s ongoing search for alien life, several news headlines came out suggesting that he said aliens are “going to hell.” One such headline on Huffington Post last week read: “Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will go to Hell so Let’s Stop Looking for Them.”

In the original blog post, Ham wrote: “I’m shocked at the countless hundreds of millions of dollars that have been spent over the years in the desperate and fruitless search for extraterrestrial life.”

The post was aimed at recent comments by NASA scientists who suggested that alien life could be discovered within the next 20 years, and expressed their excitement over the next generation of space telescopes that will search for habitable Earth-like planets.

He added: “Of course, secularists are desperate to find life in outer space, as they believe that would provide evidence that life can evolve in different locations and given the supposed right conditions! The search for extraterrestrial life is really driven by man’s rebellion against God in a desperate attempt to supposedly prove evolution!”

In his interview on “The Comfort Zone” Ham again clarified that he does not believe in aliens, and questioned why secular news media are not checking their sources and writing false headlines.

“The fascination with UFOs is increasing,” Ham said in the video. “I think in a culture where people are showing more and more that they are rebelling against God, they refuse to believe in God’s word, they refuse to acknowledge that they are sinners, they’ll look to anything but the God of Creation.”

While Ham will certainly object to being labeled an atheist, his view concerning extraterrestrial life is indeed atheistic. Ham could have said he was agnostic on the extraterrestrial question, as many atheists do on the existence of God question, but Ham took the strong atheist approach.

Welcome to the dark side, Ken.

 

Published: August 1, 2014 | Comments: 4

Blast From the Past: The Doodling of a Love Struck Young Woman

Students at Midwestern Baptist College were required to attend Emmanuel Baptist Church. Dr Tom Malone,chancellor of the college, was the pastor. Students were expected to sit up and pay attention. Failure to do so, if noticed, could bring the wrath of Malone down on your head or you could be reported to the college dean. As I was going through some stuff looking for a picture, I paused for a moment, as old people tend to do, to leaf through some of the mementos from the thirty-eight years Polly and I have known each other. I found two offering envelopes that Polly doodled on while sitting in church. She later gave them to me. Enjoy! (I am sure these will be taken as a sure sign that Polly never was saved OR as a sure sign she was a love struck young woman)

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polly doodle from college

Published: July 31, 2014 | Comments: 5

Why Some Preachers are Moral Crusaders

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Let me tell you about a preacher I once knew.

This preacher grew up in the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church movement. From the time he was 5 until he was in his early forties,  he was a card-carrying member of the fundamentalist Christian church

He was saved as a teenager and called to preach a few days later. He went off to train at an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist college. After leaving college, he immersed himself in the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist culture. He was the assistant pastor of several churches and then  he started a church of his own. His church, from scratch. Finally, he could do things God’s his way.

Over the course of a few years the church grew. Souls were saved and the preacher began to get “noticed” by the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist big wigs. The preacher, full of the Holy Spirit, full of himself determined that he was going to be a moral crusader. With God by his side and a bible in his hand, he set out to right all the moral wrongs in America.

The preacher was a hard-core, right-wing, God is a Republican, hell-fire and brimstone, Baptist. Politics and morality were one and the same. Compromise was never an option.

When the biddy football league began playing games on Sunday he objected. Children needed to be in church, he said. When the governor advocated giving condoms out to combat the spread of AIDS, the preacher took out a full-page ad in the local paper. In large letters the page said WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY? The rest of the page was filled with Bible verses and the preacher’s condemnation of the governor’s condom policy.

The newspaper ad made him famous overnight. Local news channels covered the ad and its message. The preacher began to write letters to the local newspapers condemning the moral laxity of the non-Christian world. (though he knew from counseling church members that Christians could be quite immoral too)

His church continued to grow. People loved having a preacher who stood up for Christian morality. The preacher thought, “I must be doing right because look at all the people who are coming to my church to hear me preach!”

By now, you may have figured out this preacher is me.

Why are some preachers moral crusaders?

First, let me say very clearly that many moral crusaders are well-intentioned. They become crusaders because they think God is pleased with them if they do. After all, if preachers don’t stand up for morality, then who will?

Second, most preachers who are moral crusaders believe that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God. They believe that the moral laws of the Bible are applicable for everyone. They believe the only way for America to be a great nation is for every citizens to obey the teachings of the Bible. God has spoken,obey. Even if some people aren’t Christian, they still should be expected to obey the moral teachings of the Bible. After all, Bible morality is good and best for everyone, right?

Third, most preachers who are moral crusaders believe they have been called by God to stand  against Satan and the moral wickedness of the world. They see themselves as having no option. Either they stand up for God and his moral teachings or they risk falling into disfavor their creator and savior. Moral crusaders often have what I call Elijah syndrome. Elijah thought he was the only prophet left that was true to God. So it is with many preachers. If they don’t stand up for morality then who will?

Fourth, some preachers who are moral crusaders were  saved out of lives of  licentiousness and debauchery. They know firsthand what “sin” can do to a person, so they sincerely believe they MUST spare everyone else from what they went through.

Fifth, some preachers who are moral crusaders struggle with secret sin. They call out the sin of others while committing the very sin they condemn.  By preaching against this or that moral sin, they are preaching to themselves, calling themselves to repentance.

As long as there are preachers that believe the Bible is God’s divine truth, moral crusaders will be with us. After all…..THE BIBLE SAYS!

Were you a moral crusader at one time? What changed your view? Did you ignore the moral failures in your own life as you preached about the moral failures of others?

Published: July 31, 2014 | Comments: 2

My Heart Goes Out to You, Please Try My Church

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Well intentioned Evangelicals read The Way Forward and come to the conclusion that what I lack is love from loving, caring Christians. They assume that there is no love in fundamentalist Christianity. They assume that fundamentalist Christianity is all hate, law, and no grace. Their assumption is quite wrong.  I met many loving people in the fundamentalist church. Their love may have been conditional, based on my fidelity to their brand of truth, but they loved me nonetheless. (and I loved them too) In fact, most of the time I spent in fundamentalist Christianity was quite enjoyable.

I tend to distrust people who tell me upfront how loving they are, similar to a car dealer who tells me how honest he is or a doctor who tells me how proficient he is. Why do they NEED to tell me this?  Many people think my defection from the Christian faith was an emotional decision. Certainly there was an emotional component, but my decision was primarily and ultimately an intellectual one.

No matter how often I explain my deconversion, some Evangelical is going to come along and tell me that their heart goes out to me and they wish I would try their sect or church. According to them, their pastor is the best preacher in the universe, and they just know if I came to their church and experienced God in Action® that I would see how awesome it is to be a Christian.

Here’s some questions I have for them:

  • Can I deny the Bible is the Word of God and still be a part of your church?
  • Can I question if God even exists and still be a part of your church?
  • Can I deny the trinity and still be a part of your church?
  • Can I deny that Jesus is God and still be a part of your church?
  • Can I tell everyone at church that hell is a medieval fable and still be a part of your church?
  • Can I pass out books at church by Bart Ehrman and Richard Dawkins and still be a part of your church?
  • Can I promote universalism and still be a part of your church?
  • Can I openly affirm pro-gay, pro-choice, pro-drug, pro-prostitution views and still be a part of your church?

I suspect the answer is no.

To be an Evangelical Christian means that you believe certain things. First and foremost, embracing Christianity is an intellectual act. A Christianity without objective truth is no Christianity at all.

A particular church may have a different name, a different style, a different__________, but once all the peripheral stuff is peeled away, there remains a church that believes the Bible is the Word of God. The foundation of the Evangelical church is the sixty-six books of the Bible. It is the lifeblood of the church. Without it, Christianity ceases to exist.

And therein lies THE problem for me. I don’t think the Bible is what Evangelicals claim it is. I reject its teachings. While I think the Bible certainly has some value, it is not a pattern for living, a blueprint for life, or any of the other things Evangelicals say it is. While I think Jesus lived in Palestine 2,000 years ago, I do not think he was virgin born, worked miracles, or resurrected from the dead. He was a human who lived and died, end of story. All the love in the world won’t change the fact that I don’t believe. Believing requires faith, a faith I do not have.

Published: July 31, 2014 | Comments: 5

Why THE BIBLE SAYS is Not a Good Argument

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Back in the late 1980′s, I did a lot of street preaching. I would travel to places like Newark, Zanesville, and Lancaster, Ohio and stand on a street corner and preaching the gospel. One time, while I was preaching on the courthouse sidewalk in Newark, two Mormon missionaries came up to me and wanted to talk. I said, fine, as long as we limit our discussion to the King James Bible. They told me that they couldn’t do that because the King James Bible AND the book of Mormon were both authoritative. Because I was unwilling to grant their assertion that the book of Mormon was authoritative, their was no point in them trying to talk to me. The book of Mormon and the King James Bible being authoritative were required presuppositions for them. Without me accepting their presuppositions, no meaningful discussion could take place. So it is with Evangelicals who demand that I accept the Christian Bible as authoritative.

Countless Evangelicals have come to this blog and tried to use THE BIBLE SAYS argument. Bruce, it says right here in Romans, or Genesis, or Jude ________________. They assume (presuppose) that I accept the Bible as authoritative. I don’t and neither do many of the people who read this blog. They fail to see that I have studied the history of the Bible and the claims it makes (or the claims Christians SAY it makes) and I have concluded, based on the evidence at hand, that the Bible is not an authoritative book. At best, it is a collection of books written by men trying to explain their view of world. If Evangelicals understood this, rather than asserting that the Bible is an inerrant, inspired, infallible book, we might be able to have a discussion. But, they pull the Bible out of the bookcase and say (or demand) that it is the book above all books, that it is the truth above all truth, and that every human must bow to its authority. I reject their assertions and do not think the Bible is any more superior or special than Harry Potter or To Kill a Mockingbird.

THE BIBLE SAYS carries no weight with me. Why should I grant the Bible authority? Well, because THE BIBLE SAYS! Exactly.  This is circular reasoning at its best and the reason why it is impossible to have a thoughtful, reasonable conversation with an Evangelical.  Besides THE BIBLE SAYS lots of things that Christians these days are embarrassed about. So, no THE BIBLE SAYS Evangelical is really 100% THE BIBLE SAYS.

Published: July 30, 2014 | Comments: 3

Mark Driscoll’s Words Come Back to Haunt Him

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Mark Driscoll, preaching and vision pastor at Mars Hill Church in Seattle, and the most interesting man in the world according to Mark Driscoll, finds himself in quite a predicament. It seems that Driscoll, using a the pseudonym William Wallace II, engaged in a discussion that highlights how extreme and misogynistic he really is. While his comments are over a decade old, they do provide an interesting, entertaining, and disturbing look into Driscoll’s fundamentalist mind.

Matthew Paul Turner, in a post tilted Mark Driscoll’s Pussified Nation, details how it became known that Driscoll was William Wallace II. I encourage you to read his post. Here’s one page of Driscoll’s comments which, BTW, go on for 140 pages:

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If I was a betting man, Driscoll’s days at Mars Hill are numbered. Either he will enter Christian rehab or he will be forced to out. The problem is, for the church, everything thing they do is built around the man, the myth, the legend, Mark Driscoll. Like the IFB churches of my youth that were built around god-men, mega-churches rarely survive the loss of their god. If they do survive, they are often a shell of what they once were. I am sure there are a lot of good people at Mars Hill. They can show their goodness by tossing Mark Driscoll out on the street.

Published: July 30, 2014 | Comments: 14

Breaking News: Rivers of Blood Prove the Bible is True!

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Not really, but I had to get your attention. Many Evangelicals have what I call a newspaper theology. They scan newspapers and the internet for proof that the B-i-b-l-e is true. This is especially the case when it comes to future events (eschatology). I have heard countless sermons over the years that were preached right out of the daily newspaper. None of these sermons proved to be true, but like all newspaper theology sermons, the preachers received a new edition of the newspaper, read it, and found many new proofs that the Bible is true.

The Bible says:

Thus saith the Lord, In this thou shalt know that I am the Lord: behold, I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood. And the fish that is in the river shall die, and the river shall stink; and the Egyptians shall lothe to drink of the water of the river. And the Lord spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and stretch out thine hand upon the waters of Egypt, upon their streams, upon their rivers, and upon their ponds, and upon all their pools of water, that they may become blood; and that there may be blood throughout all the land of Egypt, both in vessels of wood, and in vessels of stone. And Moses and Aaron did so, as the Lord commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. Exodus 7:17-20

And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. Revelation 16:4

We have a past and future story of God turning rivers into blood. In Exodus, turning the rivers into blood was part of the plagues God rained down on Egypt. In Revelation, we are told that God will again, during the Great Tribulation, turn the rivers into blood.

Now consider this Mashable story out of China:

Locals in the Chinese city of Wenzhou woke up to a mysteriously blood-red river Thursday morning.

According to China Radio International, the river began to redden at 6 a.m. local time, baffling residents who have spent their entire lives in the town of Wenzhou in east China’s Zhejiang Province.

Locals complained that they could no longer fish in the river, though, even if they could, it’s hard to imagine eating the catch.

The river’s color was normal yesterday,” another resident told Shanghaiist. “It’s really scary to see the clear river turned into ‘blood water’ in only a night.”

China Radio International reported that officers from the Wenzhou Environmental Protection Bureau took samples to determine the cause of the alarming color shift. It’s suspected that people dumped red pollutants into the water somewhere upstream, according to Shanghaiist.

According to ABC, Jianfeng Xiao, chief of the Wenzhou bureau, told China News, “We suspect that somebody dumped artificial coloring in the water because he thought the typhoon yesterday would cause heavy rain, and nobody would notice [the color].” He added, “It turned out there wasn’t heavy rainfall yesterday, so the evidence is left behind.”

Xiao said that there is a paper manufacturer, a food coloring company and clothing-maker along the river, though China Radio International quoted locals saying that there are no chemical plants upstream. The bureau is still investigating the incident.

This the third time a Chinese river has been mysteriously “bloodied” in the past three years. In 2012, the Yangtze river in Chongqing turned orange red, and in 2011, the Jian river in Henan Province turned a sickening crimson hue.

How long do you think it will be before someone like John Hagee preaches a newspaper sermon from Exodus 7 or Revelation 16 and uses the China story as an illustration? How long before someone notices that this is the THIRD time this has happened in China in the last THREE years. THREE. THREE. THREE. Surely this is a sign, straight from the three in one, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

It is. Don’t eat the fish or drink the water in China.

Published: July 29, 2014 | Comments: 8