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The Bible Says Thou Shalt Not Judge

No, it doesn’t.

And if it actually did, it is the one command every Christian breaks on a daily basis.

I am sure you have been in one of THOSE arguments, debates, or discussions. You know when you express your opinion about a matter and someone shrieks, YOU ARE JUDGING!

Why of course, we are judging.

We all judge each and every day of our lives. Common sense tells us this is so.

People who use the stop judging line are trying to control the debate and stifle any opinion other than their own.  If you agree with the person you are a wonderful person but if you disagree you are judgmental.

I wish these don’t judge people would at least be honest  when they open their mouth, post something on Facebook, write a blog post, etc. They need to preface each public pronouncement with:

I am not interested in what you think. If you disagree with me I will consider you to be a judgmental person and if you continue I might even throw a fit, and if you really, really keep at it  I will SHOW you…I will unfriend you on Facebook. TAKE THAT!

Let’s settle one thing here. You judge, I judge, we all judge. What matters is HOW we judge, what standard we use for judging.

And that, by the way is exactly what the Bible says.

Christians, by far, are the whiniest when it comes to judging. With Bible in hand they make all sorts of judgments . They judge who is saved and who is lost. They judge what sin is and they really, really like to judge sexual sin. (a sign that they have not gotten laid lately)

Yet, when others turn their judgment towards them they protest loudly and say, the BIBLE says, thou shalt not judge.

Let’s look at what the Bible actually says:

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)

Most people stop at Matthew 7:1. Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Seems pretty clear doesn’t it?  Don’t judge others if you don’t want to be judged yourself.

This one verse is foundational for those who think we should tolerate any belief a person might have.  The toleration at all costs crowd thinks every person is autonomous and has a right to say whatever they want. Free speech reigns paramount.

The libertarian in me generally thinks toleration is a good idea but when individuals or groups bring their ideas into the public square any notion of toleration must be put aside. In a democracy like ours, we fight our battles in the public square. Citizens bring their ideas to the public square in hopes of finding like minded people to join with their cause. Often they do, but in the public square they also often  find those who oppose their cause. And so competing causes, ideas, and beliefs clash with one another and wage war against each other in the public square. Over time, it is hoped the best cause, idea, or belief wins. (and I speak with gross generalization here)

It is likely the winner’s cause, idea, or belief will have been altered by those who challenged it. Through this bloody give and take we progress and move forward as a people. (1) As you can readily see, the scientific method fits well in this kind of environment. Scientist A  says _____________________, and Scientists B, C, and D take exception and through the scientific method set out to challenge, refute, or modify what Scientist A said.

Note what the Bible says in Matthew 7:2-5, the verses few Christians ever bother to read. (after all,  Christians subscribe to the “ignore what doesn’t fit my agenda, worldview, way I want to live, rule of interpretation.”)

Verse 2 says:

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

For WITH WHAT JUDGMENT YE JUDGE, ye shall be judged. The Bible is quite clear. It is a given…we all make judgments, so when we judge, whatever standard of judgment we use, that same standard of judgment will be used by others when they judge us.

The Bible even addresses the method we use to judge when it says with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. In modern vernacular the Bible is saying, however you dish out judgment expect it to be dished back to you the same way.

Over the course of 4 years of blogging people have left almost 15,000 comments on my various blog iterations. A small percentage of comments were left by Christians with nasty dispositions, Christians who were so filled with certainty that they had no tolerance for any differing viewpoint. (I can count on one hand the non-Christians who did this) They knew the truth and their objective was to tell me that I was wrong, deceived, blind, lost, headed for hell, or an enemy of God.  In their worldview there is no room for doubt or not knowing.

These  know-it-all Christians tend to be arrogant, bombastic, and lacking in basic social graces. Of all the different types of people I have met on the internet, they are the type that really get under my skin. (perhaps because I was just like them at one time in my life) I tend to respond “in kind” to this kind of commenter. Using Bible terms, I am just meting out to them what they meted out to me.

Bit by bit I am learning to not engage people who think like this. They lack the ability or the desire to engage in thoughtful discussion and, to use a Bible quote again,  discussions with them is casting my pearls before swine. Simply put, it is a waste of time.

Well, enough of chasing that rabbit trail. (the preacher in me still lives)   Back to Matthew 7:1-5.

Verses 3 and 4 say:

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

The Bible teaches that we should first consider our own life, our own faults, our own inconsistencies, and for my Christian readers, our own sins, before we consider the the deficiencies of others.

As is often the case, we tend to be able to see the smallest of matters in the lives of others (the mote, a small sliver) all the while not being able to see the biggest of matters in our own lives.(the beam)

Before we judge others we should carefully judge ourselves. We seem to rarely do this. Self reflection. Taking an inventory of our own lives. Like the old evangelist said, draw a circle on the floor, stand in the middle of the circle, and judge everyone in the circle.

This kind of judgment will fundamentally change how he judge others. As we carefully plumb the depths of our own being we will likely become more understanding of those we disagree with.  This doesn’t make the disagreements go away but it does help us to see we are ALL capable of embracing ideas that are faulty or dangerous.

Does this mean we shouldn’t judge others? Of course not. Notice what verse 5 says:

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

If we judge ourselves first we will then be able to better judge the actions, words, ideas, and beliefs of others. The hypocrite ignores his own life and focuses on others. We see this all the time with Christian pastors. You know the type…they thunder against sin, most often sexual sin. They eviscerate all those who dare transgress the Bible’s sexual standard. Yet, in their own lives they do the very things they condemn. (Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, Bob Gray, Jack Hyles, Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, Jim Bakker, Eddie Long,  and too many Catholic priests to count, just to name a few.)

I am of the opinion that those who shout the loudest over the peccadillos of others often commit those very same sins in the privacy of their home, office, motel room, or back seat of their car. They are hypocrites of the first degree.

The Bible, from start to finish, clearly teaches that Christians are to judge others,  It never teaches, thou shalt not judge. It DOES teach judging righteously. It does teach using a proper standard of judgment. It does teach a judgment that begins with self.

But, Bruce, you are not a Christian. No I am not. I wrote this post to, first, tell those Christians who love to scream DON’T judge to shut the hell up. They need to read the Bible they say they believe.  Better yet, they need to PRACTICE the teachings of the Bible they say they believe.

As an atheist, I can glean some helpful guidance from Matthew 7:1-5. It stresses the important of self-judgment before taking on the task of judging others and their their ideas and beliefs.  I need to be  often reminded of my own shortcomings (sorry Christians, no sins for me) and motives. I need to be reminded that I am, like those I oppose, a fallible, frail human being. I can be be w-r-o-n-g.

The comment section awaits your judgments of this post.

(1) Religion does not play well in this kind of environment. Religion is based on revealed truth,  on dogma. In the United States the dominant religion is Christianity, a religion founded on a truth that cant not be altered or changed.  This is why Christians do not fare well in the public square. They have little capacity for change. To change means they or their God are wrong. Now we know, as we look through the lens of 2000 years of Christian Church history, that the Church has indeed adapted and changed. But, it should be noted that this kind of change takes a much longer time than it does with other people and groups. Christianity is nothing, if it is not arrogant and intractable about its truth.

Another Day, Another Christian Tries to Show Me the Error of My Way

My response is in bold.

I was just reading your blog and my heart was touched. The Father definitely loves you, and his children should also. I want to apologize sincerely for every person who has spoken harshly to you in the name of Christianity. Please do not mistake there words or feelings for God’s. Jesus loves us all so much that when we sin and mar ourselves with the grime of this world He consistently reaches for us and continues to ask us to take his hand so that He can rescue us. I’m sure you’ve heard some of this before, and if not, i would guess that this is probably the reason you have “fallen” away. Just know that it is never too late to grab His hand. He doesn’t care how long it takes to win your heart, just as long as you receive and believe in Him.

So, what you are saying here is that I should ignore what Christianity is and instead embrace some form of hypothetical Christianity. Here’s the deal, and Christians need to understand this…. It doesn’t matter what the Bible says, what you believe, or what you say your church believes. All that matters is you and your fellow Christ followers and how you all live your lives.

If Jesus is all you say he is then it seems he would make a big difference in the life of Christians. But……he doesn’t. For all your preaching and Bible verse quoting the truth remains that there is little to any difference between an atheist and a Christian. Outside of where they sit on Sunday Morning the difference is nil.

Why would I want to embrace a religion that makes no difference in my life? Look around. Christians bicker and fight amongst themselves. They argue over the most trivial things. Christians don’t agree on anything. Christians can’t even agree on salvation, baptism, and communion. If you can’t get those things right…..

I would like to caution you though, because teaching people to blaspheme the Holy Spirit is a serious offense to God.

Since I don’t believe your God exists and I don’t believe the Bible is truth your threat carries no weight. This might work for people who are still Christian but not with me. I gladly and willingly blaspheme your God. He knows where I am. If he wants to kills me here I am.

Imagine if you had 3 children, and one of them gets upset with you because you wouldn’t do things their way, so out of anger, frustration & disappointment that one decides to run away and tell everyone how horrible you are, or better yet, tell people that you never existed, that your other children made you up in their minds because they needed to feel secure and were not intelligent enough to take care of themselves. Now, say if you came back to that parent’s home and found a way to sneak in and convince the other 2 children that the lies you have been spreading about that parent are true. If you convinced them to join you in running away, can you imagine how that parent would feel? They would be enraged because you not only put yourself in danger, but you drug their other children into the situation and now they will be out of a home, without food and security. You all would be exposed to horrid things that the parent was only trying to protect you from in the first place. He would have to punish you.

I have no idea what you are saying here. It makes NO sense. That said, I encourage people to think for themselves.

A just God cannot just tolerate sin, that is why He made a way for them to be pardoned. He sent His Son to live a sinless life, and at the end take a punishment that anyone who sinned deserved [brutal death]. Afterward He rose from death to prove that He had power over it and went before the Great Judge [God] so that if anyone believed (so wholeheartedly that they would openly confess it before anyone) that Jesus indeed was the Son of God and subjected Himself to murder that He would trade what He [rightfully] deserved [eternal life enjoyed with the Father] for what we [rightfully] deserved (brutal death). He’s coming back to earth again, and this time he will be stripping the planet of every evil so that His people can live in freedom and in close relationship with Him. He can’t rid the earth of evil without being extremely severe because evil does not play nice or fair. Besides that, his anger is burning because of the suffering of not only human beings, but all creation, as a result of our sin. God is righteous and so are His judgments! Holy Spirit, please open their eyes to see the truth!

A just God cannot tolerate sin? Really? Look around. Seems like God is tolerating all kinds of sin. In fact it seems God doesn’t care about sin at all. Even among his followers…they sin willfully and often. When’s the last time there has been a Ananias and Sapphira report? As long as Christian TV exists it is proof that God is not serious about sin.

God’s anger is burning over suffering? How do you know this? What proof do you have? In the Bible when God got angry he acted out. I don’t see God anywhere today. Suffering abounds and God does nothing.

You are parroting the Bible. You believe that it is truth. I get it but you need to understand that I believe what I can see. When your God shows up and does some real God work then I will believe.

Whether you believe God is real or not, He is! And I will pray that you will have an encounter with him for yourself that will change your heart toward the Lord. I pray that your eyes will be opened to the truth. God is real, His love is real and a true encounter with Him is life changing. Prayerfully you will truly meet the King and willfully submit to Him without Him having to force you to. The bible does say that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus, the Christ [Anointed One] is Lord. There is a great judgment coming to all who deny Him. I pray that you will not have to be judged in that day.

So God is real because you say he is. Awesome. End of discussion. Do you believe faeries are real? Why not? Whether you believe or not, faeries exist! I have never seen one BUT I read about them in a book so they must be real. Believe!!

I love you Bruce, although I have never met you and my hearts desire is that you will give in to the wooing of our Lord and savior Jesus the Christ. He loves you soooo much, I just wish you could see it. He won’t condemn you, if you would just turn to Him and admit your need for His forgiveness. He needs you to recognize that you have wronged Him, but He’ll treat you like nothing ever happened once you repent. Repent, for the Kingdom is at hand and the hour of destruction is approaching quickly.

No, you don’t love me. Don’t give me this syrupy, cheap Christian love. My wife, kids, grandkids, family, and friends love me. They don’t have some fucked-up Jesus love for me. They love me for who I am. You can’t do that. Unless I become like you, you can never accept me for who I am. Like your God you really don’t love everyone and you need to stop telling yourself that you do. Your email to me is filled with invectives and judgments. You, a total stranger, think you have the right to speak to me like this. Such arrogance.

I wronged God and need to confess it to him? It will be a cold day in hell before that happens. No,the people doing the wrong are people like you. You come preaching a religion and a God I want nothing to do with. You offer me no tangible proof for God other than “you say so.” You piss all over my front porch and then say to me, isn’t that wonderful!

You say the hour of destruction is approaching quickly. Today? Tomorrow? Next week? Next year? When? Christians keep threatening us with “God is coming to whip your ass” but he never shows up. Either God is a coward,or he is dead, or you are misrepresenting him.

I am sure you meant well but I am to the place in life where I am no longer willing to forgive and ignore people like you. I have had enough.