What Pastor Doug Wilson Thinks of Feminists and Homosexuals

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Screenshot from the Christ Church, Moscow, Idaho Website

Doug Wilson is the pastor of Christ Church in Moscow Idaho, a professor at non-accredited New Saint Andrews College, and editor of Credenda Agenda magazine. Back when I was a Calvinist with theocratic leanings, I read Credenda Agenda religiously.

Today, a friend of mine sent me a quote from Doug Wilson’s book, Southern Slavery, As it Was. (his co-author was Steve Wilkins) Here’s what Wilson had to say:

“Sodomites parade in the streets, claiming that if we do not appropriate more money to study why people with foul sexual habits get sick, we are somehow violating their civil rights. Feminists, in rebellion against God, invert the order of the home established by God. They do so in a way that seeks to rob women of their beauty in submission and their security in being loved. For two decades, we have seen millions of unborn children slaughtered in abortion clinics. How did we get here, and what is the way out? The question cannot be answered fully without careful study of the War Between the States and the controversies surrounding it. Slavery was one of those controversies.”

You can read the entire book online (link no longer active).

Let this quote serve as a reminder that this kind of thinking is not the exclusive domain of groups like the Westboro Baptist Church and the Phelps clan. Bigots can be found in almost every sect; with the number of bigots growing increasingly larger the more conservative a sect is.

Wilson asks, which morality will it be, but same-sex marriage has nothing to do with morality. Allowing same-sex couples to marry affords them equal protection under the law and grants them the same civil rights as heterosexuals. Each of us have a right to privacy. Consenting adults have the right to engage in whatever sexual conduct that floats their boat without the government regulating the behavior. Theocrats like Wilson desire and demand that their interpretation of the laws found in the Bible be codified and made the standard for everyone.

I find it hard to see how this is any different from Muslims who want to institute Sharia law. As the quotes below will show, Wilson is quite willing to use the power of the state to enforce his version of Biblical law. Wilson also thinks that there may instances when execution is the rightful punishment for someone breaking his God’s law.

Such thinking should cause all of us to shudder. While Islam is center stage in our culture, proponents of God rule are working behind the scenes to destroy America’s secular foundation and legislate and enact a Christian version of sharia law.

Notes

Here’s a Wilson quote I found on The Wartburg Watch:

“You might exile some homosexuals, depending on the circumstances and the age of the victim. There are circumstances where I’d be in favor of execution for adultery. … I’m not proposing legislation. All I’m doing is refusing to apologize for certain parts of the Bible.”

Here’s a Doug Wilson quote about rape and marriage I found on the Love, Joy, Feminism blog:

A final aspect of rape that should be briefly mentioned is perhaps closer to home. Because we have forgotten the biblical concepts of true authority and submission, or more accurately, have rebelled against them, we have created a climate in which caricatures of authority and submission intrude upon our lives with violence.

When we quarrel with the way the world is, we find that the world has ways of getting back at us. In other words, however we try, the sexual act cannot be made into an egalitarian pleasuring party. A man penetrates, conquers, colonizes, plants. A woman receives, surrenders, accepts.

This is of course offensive to all egalitarians, and so our culture has rebelled against the concept of authority and submission in marriage. This means that we have sought to suppress the concepts of authority and submission as they relate to the marriage bed.

But we cannot make gravity disappear just because we dislike it, and in the same way we find that our banished authority and submission comes back to us in pathological forms. This is what lies behind sexual “bondage and submission games,” along with very common rape fantasies. Men dream of being rapists, and women find themselves wistfully reading novels in which someone ravishes the “soon to be made willing” heroine. Those who deny they have any need for water at all will soon find themselves lusting after polluted water, but water nonetheless.

True authority and true submission are therefore an erotic necessity. When authority is honored according to the word of God it serves and protects — and gives enormous pleasure. When it is denied, the result is not “no authority,” but an authority which devours.

Here’s a Doug Wilson quote about slavery I found on the Are Women Human blog: (link no longer active)

Because of its dominantly patriarchal character, [slavery] was a relationship based upon mutual affection and confidence. There has never been a multi-racial society which has existed with such mutual intimacy and harmony in the history of the world. The credit for this must go to the predominance of Christianity. The gospel enabled men who were distinct in nearly every way, to live and work together, to be friends and often intimates…

The [WPA Slave] Narratives consistently portray an amazingly benign picture of Southern plantation life. Affection for former masters and mistresses is expressed in terms of unmistakable devotion. Testimony to the good treatment, kindness, and gentleness of many so-called “heartless slave holders” abounds. Many of the old slaves express a wistful desire to be back at the plantation.

Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of food, clothes, and good medical care. In the narratives taken as a whole, there is no pervasive cry of rage and anguish.. abuses came from a distinct and very small minority.

Here’s Wilson’s take on the Boy Scouts allowing gay scouts:

I believe that certain unspeakable things will be going on in Boy Scout tents within about five years — with our current tolerance pimps making it all happen — and they will be things that could best be addressed by a judicious use of the strongest form of disapproval a culture has. While I believe that the judicial law of Moses ceased when the nation of Israel ceased, as the Westminster Confession teaches, I also believe the general equity of the law remains. I believe that the general equity of the law includes this strong rejection of homosexual behavior. I also believe that the law of the Old Testament was the model for our common law system, and our system should work in the same way.

By the way, no need for any comments saying that I have confounded homosexuality and pedophilia. I haven’t, and am just giving an example of the kind of same-sex behavior I could see supporting the death penalty for.

But look what I just did. I cited an application of Leviticus 20:13 that could still have broad societal consensus, even in these jaded days. This being the case, what you will have to do is bookmark this page, wait about ten years, and send your outraged cries up to the skies then. By that point, a large number of boys will have been ushered into the fellowship of these men, and there will have been at least two HBO series exalting the lifelong friendships that resulted, and it will then be obvious and apparent to all (in 2023) that I am an incorrigible hater.

Doug Wilson’s prepared remarks for his debate with gay rights activist Andrew Sullivan.

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11 Comments

  1. Erin

    Shudder.

    One thing that always comes to my mind that many people seem to forget is that same-sex marriage isn’t about SEX, it’s about MARRIAGE. Why would we want to discourage anyone from such a profound commitment? (Of course, assuming both parties are fully consenting adults.) These are two people who have promised to love, support, and care for each other for the rest of their lives. Who cares what happens when the blinds are closed? It seems so unimportant considering the bigger picture. And, a whole lot of straight people do consensual things in the bedroom that some people would consider to be morally reprehensible, but no one polices that.

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  2. Ami

    Yeah, I can mess up my own marriage, I don’t need the evil gay people to do it.

    Doug Wilson is off his fucking rocker. Certifiably looney, batshit crazy, missing a chunk of attic insulation, wheel’s- spinning-but-the-hamster’s-dead NUTS.

    Slavery.
    “Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of food, clothes, and good medical care. In the narratives taken as a whole, there is no pervasive cry of rage and anguish.. abuses came from a distinct and very small minority.”

    Refer to the above paragraph about batshit crazy.

    Worst thing? There are THOUSANDS of Doug Wilsons.

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    1. Matilda

      Oh Ami, you had me spluttering into my coffee here in the UK. Our family saying is ‘He’s one sandwich short of a picnic.’ Never heard the attic one or the hamster saying but both will now enter the vocabulary of this family (DH chuckled for 5 minutes over the hamster saying) Thanks!

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  3. geoff downs

    Doug Wilson is a rather disturbing character. Fortunately he is so far out there that no would take him seriously except his own band of weirdoes. His views of sex are twisted. I do believe women find sex to be very pleasurable…. except perhaps Doug Wilsons wife .

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    1. gimpi1

      Mr. Wilson’s views of slavery appear to mirror his view of marriage, and, I assure you, most women find the sort of marriage he touts just as enjoyable as most slaves found slavery to be.

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    2. Sara

      Sadly, though, he’s still promoted by at least one conglomerate of very well-known evangelical voices: The Gospel Coalition. Ask any reformed or Calvinist believer if they’ve heard of TGC and you’ll likely get a resounding yes. In fact, I’m neither reformed nor Calvinist and I’ve still heard of TGC. As long as TGC continues to promote Doug’s stuff, he’ll stay close (in proximity) to the mainstream.

      I’d love to see some respected, respectful theologians take him to task publicly. I worry that it won’t ever happen until, unfortunately, Doug and his group have spiraled so far down the rabbit hole — they’re already far down it, as it is — that very bad things could happen, which is exactly where I believe they’re headed if left unchecked. In my opinion, it is the natural trajectory of such things.

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  4. Jada

    Quite frankly, if Doug Wilson and I were the last two people left on earth, he’d be dead in a matter of days. Based on his sociopathy, it would literally be me or him.

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  5. Geoff

    So he’s obsessively bigoted against gays, to the extent he thinks they should perhaps be executed.

    He effectively says rape is okay because men are allowed to exercise authority and women should be submissive.

    And slavery is good because some slave owners were quite kind in the way they treated their slaves. No matter that there was no relationship between the two, other than one of ownership.

    Wow! The guy is sick, but what’s frightening is that he is totally incapable of any form of empathy with those who disagree with him. He is clearly psychotic.

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  6. Byroniac

    What’s really scary is that I can read all of this by Doug Wilson and not be overly perturbed but think, “he’s slightly more extreme than I was, but I was probably on my way there.” Yikes! That’s diving without a snorkel on the deep end of the Crazy pool. Any crazier, and you would need a submarine and a bigger pool.

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    1. Bruce Gerencser (Post author)

      Yep, that’s what I’ve said about my time as pastor of Community Baptist in Texas. When the whole thing fell apart, it forced me to take a hard look at my life and the path I was on. I can only imagine where I might be today had I not changed the course of my life and adopted a kinder, friendlier set of beliefs.

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  7. Connie

    Mr Wilson says: “By the way, no need for any comments saying that I have confounded homosexuality and pedophilia. I haven’t, and am just giving an example of the kind of same-sex behavior I could see supporting the death penalty for.”

    Aside from horrible grammar, he equates pedophilia with homosexuality. Several issues with this but the person who has said it the best said it here:

    http://holybulliesandheadlessmonsters.blogspot.com/

    The document I’m thinking about is titled How They See Us

    I’ve heard Mr Wilson’s rhetoric before and the big huge issue he ignores is consent. There are people, shoot some who will pay, who identify as a slave. There are even more who identify as submissive (in the bedroom only). The community I speak of was around before 50 Shades hit the bookstore. Shoot, we have lectures and classes on how to negotiate consensual non-consent.

    He doesn’t care about consent. Women are always to serve and place themselves in the submissive role. That doesn’t work if you want to empower a person. And therein lies the rub. Mr Wilson doesn’t want to empower anyone else but himself.

    Anyway, it offends me beyond belief that Mr Wilson insists that non-consensual slavery wasn’t all that bad. I’m pretty sure Mr Wilson can discount all the horror, suffering, and harm inflicted by forced slavery because it didn’t happen to him. His lack of empathy is clear and I do hope it will be his undoing.

    Connie

    PS – I already have you bookmarked but found you through Infidel753. I am happy your knowledge is being shared.

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