Ken Ham Asks His Disciples to Pray for Me

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A couple of years ago, I wrote a post titled Ken Ham Warns Atheists Are Out to Steal Your Children and Eat Them Too. While this post was lost in a server crash, I was able to recover the part of the post that resulted in Ken Ham asking his devoted Facebook followers to pray for me:

…Teaching children the earth is 6,000 years old, that God killed with a flood every human being save eight a few thousand years ago, and that anyone who does not accept the Evangelical version of the Christian God will be tortured by the Evangelical God in hell for eternity, is quite harmful to the intellectual development of children.

The waiting rooms of mental health professionals are filled with people who have had their sense of self-worth damaged or destroyed by Christian teachings like original sin. Being told you are wicked, that you can be oppressed or possessed by Satan, and that God holds absolute power of your life, does not make for a healthy mind,

So, to Ken Ham, I say this: Yes we are coming for your children. We hope to expose them to the wide, wondrous universe we live in. We hope to teach them to think critically and not to accept something as fact just because a preacher said or God said __________________.

I am not anti-Christian or anti-religion. I am, however, anti-ignorance. I think parents hurt their children when they keep them from ALL the knowledge available about the universe and their place in it…

Instead of praying for me, the Hamites, a species related to the Dodo Bird, went on the offensive, and in doing so they exposed their ignorance about and hatred for atheists. Here’s what some of Ham’s disciples had to say:

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The level of pure hatred in their writings are almost palpable. They are the blind, leading the blind right into Hell!

Should not their own venomous hatred be a warning to them that they are not thinking clearly and rationally? How can they possibility imagine that they are walking in truth when they are eaten up with bitterness and loathing?

And as is highly typical of skeptics, they use lots of insults and personal attacks.
In fact, insults are their personal mark and business card. Remember too – Satan is called the accuser of the brethren.

Sad for them. Their hearts are hardened.

evil is cancer…it spreads quickly everywhere…it destorys the ability to think or even reason…the worldly mind just cannot understand the wisdom of God. Praise God for grace.

So much anger and hatred. Just proves, in my mind, that this is a spiritual battle.

I really think the average Christian needs to have a better quick come back for the “God said” “God is speaking to me” and why the Bible is true… Those objections are voiced over and over again and I find the average Christian raised in our churches today simply has no good quick answer….

Jesus said we would be hated by this world because it hated Him first. Also all those who want to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

“we are coming for your children.” Over my dead body.

“We are coming for your children” … Arrogant, conceited, rude and intrusive, aren’t they?

This may be the most difficult part of being a Christian, Ken: standing in the face of uncalled-for hatred. Perhaps we should all think of Jesus being nailed to the cross as we hear this kind of nonsensical hatred. Their pride will destroy them. Repentance is the only way….

While we MUST expose the wiles of the evil one, we must also remember that apart from the Grace of God, many of us would likely be in the same position they are in. Jesus warned us that in the End Times there would be a great deception and this is obvious. It is only by the Grace of God that we do not fall for this deception. We are indeed in a war and our enemy does not play fair. Fortunately, we fight with a Commander-in-Chief who also does not fight fair. Our Commander wins…PERIOD because he overcame death, sin, the grave, deception, and every other weapon the enemy throws at us. NO WEAPON formed against us shall prosper. The lies, the hate, the slander, the fear, all the weapons these atheists throw at us shall not prosper.

These atheists are not as secure as they present themselves to be. The truth of God’s Word dispels darkness. Be encouraged Ken. “But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.” Romans 5:20

The claim that Bible belief and teaching retards the thinking of young people is not true. Since the Bible is true, that would be impossible! If science from the beginning had believed and searched the scriptures, there would have been more progress. For example, science once believed in bleeding people to make them feel better, a flat earth, and more. Bible knowledge would have prevented those errors of “science” along with the impossible theory of evolution – the “belief” that everything came from nothing with no influence from any power or intelligence. Now that’s retarded thinking.

And again we see the humanists’ “tolerance”!

I’m interested in reading these updates, but I’d like to follow up on something you wrote above. I have NEVER met anyone who hates God, ever. I’ve never heard anyone say that. They do hate us and our interpretation of God’s word (truth!).

Thank you for sharing. It is so sad that the lost cannot understand the truth and their deception turns their anger towards those who proclaim the truth. We need to understand those on the other side to know how to combat their influence.

Wow…such hatred. I think it is sad that the Christians use to be dogmatic, and that crowd was quiet, and now it has flipped around. They are dogmatic, and the Christians have become the quiet ones. And the gall of people like this to discredit all Creationists, and especially to discredit the credentials of scientists who are Creationists, is unjust. These scientists have payed for their education, and spent as much of their life in school, as the secular scientists, and so it is unjust to claim that these guys are dumb and stupid.

Never forget a man got up and walked out of the grave……….Atheists are such fools.

He needs to know that we don’t believe in the 7 day creation because a pastor said “God said,” but because God said! We need to stick to the word. Thanks Mr Ken.

if God is not real, why would I waste my time arguing or caring about what Christians thought….nothing meanings anything if there is no God….so I would spend my time in as much pleasure and selfishness as possible as I only have maybe 80 years of meaningless existence…I would not want to waste a second on science or Christianity…who cares?…the fact they oppose so strongly shows they are scared and insecure in their own beliefs

I asked a few Athiest once, why do you talk about God so much if God doesn’t exist? Why do you mock it? An Athiest told me its because of all the violence and wars. And I asked if that is true. Why is it a Christian God and not any other gods, for example Allah the god of Islam?.. I have personally paid attention to the media and tv shows that would make fun of religion. And also been in Philosophy classes where they would bring up a Christian God most of the time. Even they say Christianity copied other religions when it was the other way around they pic and choose things. Indeed we are living in the End times I believe. More Christians are being persecuted there was/still is being more Christians being persecuted in the last century than the 1900 years after 0A.D all together. The Lord has really told me that He is my shield. And to have full Faith in Him. As I’ve been reading Scripture lately.

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Here’s my favorite comment, written by Don Swaringen, a 1961 graduate of Bob Jones University :

The claim that Bible belief and teaching retards the thinking of young people is not true. Since the Bible is true, that would be impossible! If science from the beginning had believed and searched the scriptures, there would have been more progress. For example, science once believed in bleeding people to make them feel better, a flat earth, and more. Bible knowledge would have prevented those errors of “science” along with the impossible theory of evolution – the “belief” that everything came from nothing with no influence from any power or intelligence. Now that’s retarded thinking.

Let’s see:

  • “The claim that Bible belief and teaching retards the thinking of young people is not true.” Why ? The “Bible is true”, Swearingen says.  Talk about circular reasoning; the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true.
  • Bloodletting? A procedure performed on the sick for 1,900 years, long before the modern scientific era.  Numerous Christians and clergymen were bled by Christian doctors. All of them had the Bible at their disposal, yet none of them found the “truth” about bloodletting. It took scientists, not theologians, to find out that, in most cases, bloodletting does not help the sick.
  • Flat earth? Evidently, Swaringen is not aware that the flat earth belief came, in part, from the Bible. Daniel 4:10, Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1, Matthew 4:8 (Excellent article (link no longer active) by Adrian Swindler on the relevant Bible passages that teach the earth is flat. Here’s another article (link no longer active) by Swindler about the one time common belief that the earth was flat)
  • There would be more progress if science believed the Bible? Really?  What about the scientists who were killed for going against the Bible and the teachings of the Christian church? What does history tells us about countries that have a religious-text based science? Look at the Muslim world and see what happens when theology trumps science.
  • Science does make errors, but it correct them. When’s the last time the Don Swaringen’s of the world have “corrected” an error in their Bible or theology? Everyone now…NEVER!

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12 Comments

  1. Karen the rock whisperer

    “’We are coming for your children’ … Arrogant, conceited, rude and intrusive, aren’t they?”

    Um, WE aren’t the people trying to sneak evangelists into public schools, rope innocent young kids into “Good News Clubs” to talk about hell and damnation, and other schemes by which Evangelicals look to come for everyone else’s children. But when we want an informed populace, we’re arrogant, conceited, rude and intrusive. Gah.

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  2. Jada

    “This may be the most difficult part of being a Christian, Ken: standing in the face of uncalled-for hatred.”

    Except that I don’t ‘hate’ you. I don’t think enough about you to feel one way or the other, except that you’re annoying in the way you believe you’re actually going to be successful in ‘converting’ or ‘re-converting’ those of us who are well and truly done with it. Believe me, there’s nothing ‘difficult’ for you about my ignoring you and not giving your special little snowflakeyness unearned privilege up until this point in time anymore seriousness than I would any other ludicrous belief system. You’re simply far too accustomed to being paid attention to whether you deserved it or not. You don’t, you never did, and it’s becoming clear to more people every day.

    Why don’t some of you that are ‘hated’ go over to Syria and help some of your ‘brothers and sisters’ out who really, truly ARE hated. What’s going on over there makes your ‘difficulties’ (geez, how lame you sound) look like a tea party. Bu . . . but . . . if you did that, you’d have to give up some of your creature comforts that you’re enjoying right here in the US **where you’re actually not being oppressed** in the first place. Take up that cross that Jesus commanded of you in his name for the sake of your brothers and sisters who **really are dying**. Or just stay over here in the safe and sound good ol’ USofA and make clear what it is you ‘really’ value.

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  3. joseph j rizzuti

    It sounds as if Bruce is trying to convert young people from being taught moral issues and because he ran with this Religion and now has a new hobby horse and new Religion . Go get um champion of the faith of No GOD No problems go go H B O !!?!?

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    1. Len Koz

      Ah, the genius returns. Joey, all you deserve is a well-worn answer: atheism is a religion as much as bald is a hair color.

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    2. Bruce Gerencser (Post author)

      Nope. I am trying to make sure that they aren’t taught at school religious dogma that turns them into Joseph Rizzuti.

      You are on a short leash here, so please try to formulate complete sentences and coherent comments. You are certainly welcome to comment as long as you have something to add to the discussion. Hint: this comment adds nothing to the discussion.

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      1. joseph j rizzuti

        Check out your own sentence structure Bruce . As far as your leash goes keep it your a little man who got beat up by the kooks you ran with while playing preacher now you have a more profitable ministry to destroy the faith of mankind in God . Bruce your mission to do this is old hat …….Hitler, Castro,Bruce,………

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        1. Bruce Gerencser (Post author)

          And with that, the amazing Joey J exits stage right never to be heard from again. The crowd cheers.

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          1. Becky Wiren

            Thank you. Trying to slog through his incoherent grammar, punctuation, and sentence structure was bad enough. Then to do so and find out he’s a complete idiot! Didn’t like wasting my time.

        2. Geoff

          Actually Hitler, and other infamous dictators, were inspired by the lessons of the great preachers in the way that they manipulated and bred hatred in a credulous population. In short, without Christianity it’s unlikely Hitler would have managed to do what he did.

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  4. Brian

    Ordained joseph j rizzutti, please share with us here how you discipline(d) children, how your rod is hard and true and how Christ smiles on your disciplining his little ones. Did you spank your kids much as you PUT them through the Academy of Delusions? Did you hurt your hands doing it or use a tool fashioned by Michael Pearl or just how did you perform your Godly duties? Please share. Or wait till Bruce deals with this issue of children in a later post? I love to mock sometimes, just like you, ordained joseph… I do it with love but I am sometimes afraid it is a love with teeth, like Doug Wilson’s… know what I mean? The Baptist foundation is firm and they got to me early early….

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    1. joseph j rizzuti

      Hey I did not have to spank my children with my hand or paddle because they had respect for their father and mother these kooks beating babies should be put in prison . But as we all know that was brought out in the trials of at least 2 Independent baptist “preachers” who were put in prison for beating children in the name of God . Forget about the Bob Gray’s , Jack Hyles ,David Hyles,Jack Schanap,……So there it is a big bad man beating children so NO GOD NO RULES kiddies it’s not working there killing each other and doing life in prison . Well keep up the good work all you BELIEVERS IN NO GOD Ministry to the kids who may be moral

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      1. Brian

        Are you actually going to publically state that you never hit your kids, joseph j rizzuti? And they were not run down by Mack trucks in the street when they carelessly leapt there? I know very few miracle men like you. Tell me, if you would, how you dealt with your own harsh feelings when your children misbehaved or spoke back to you? What did you do with yourself other than correct your kids when rules were broken?
        As for your magical thinking, that because a big bad man beat children, there should be no rules and no God, nice try but your thought process is askew. Religion is a catalyst that ‘enhances’ what is brought to it. When the Christian brings abusive baggage with him to church, he finds biblical support for his abusive ways. Because he has thoughtlessly passed down the legacy of abuse in his own life to his children by teaching them that his anger is more important than they are, that his wrath is dangerous, he can easily say bizarre things like you have just stated, that not hitting means no God and no rules and that all the children exposed to that will fill the prisons. He feels this has some healthy logic to it and should be obviously true to others.
        There is no God, as far as i can see, joseph p rizzuti, and people who go to church seem to be generally as abusive and backward with kids as much of the population. (My only caveat here is that extreme believers, the fundy evangelicals, the IFB’s etc are more abusive to both women and children)
        And joseph p rizzuti, please tell me the truth about your kids. You believe in punitive parenting because otherwise they’d all be killing each other, right? Did you not have to spank them because God did a miracle or because you let them have it good when they were very young and they learned to be careful in front of you…. what would your children answer if I asked them about your discipline? Do you believe a father should be feared in his family?

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