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Commenter says, Bruce, You were No Good as a Pastor and You Hurt Our Family

im sorry

Today, a man who says his name is Andrew Beltz, left a troubling comment on the Why I Hate Jesus post. Beltz wrote:

So Bruce admits he is a hater. O.K. He has legitimized hate.

Now I can tell you Bruce that I hate you, you fat disgusting thing, because you were no good as a pastor and you hurt our family.

Yes, Bruce, I remember.

I immediately sent Beltz an email. Unfortunately, he used a fake email address, so my email to him bounced. Here’s what I wrote:


Before I post your comment, I would appreciate it if you would elaborate more on the claims made in your comment. I have no recollection of pastoring anyone with the last name Beltz. I see that you currently reside in the Goshen, Kentucky area. I have never lived in Kentucky. Perhaps you moved away from one of the areas I pastored. Which church were you a member of or had a negative experience with me?

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Bruce Gerencser

Comments such as this always trouble me, and here’s why: I readily admit that my preaching, beliefs, and ministerial practices were harmful. In the instances when I have been able to privately talk with offended/hurt congregants, I have apologized to them for the harm I have caused. While I could justify myself by saying that I too was abused and that I was simply a product of the religious environment I grew up in, I choose, instead, to own my behavior. I now know I hurt people. I didn’t at the time, but a decade of reflection has led me to conclude that I hurt my wife and children, along with the hundreds of people who once called me pastor or preacher. While I was a loving, helpful, kind, and compassionate pastor, I know that what I preached and what I modeled to congregants was psychologically harmful. And in some instances, patriarchal beliefs about child rearing and family structure caused physical harm. That is what Fundamentalism does, it hurts the hurting, harms the harmless, and causes untold damage to people who sincerely buy into the lies. A lifetime of days is not enough for me to say, I am sorry. There’s nothing I can do about the past other than speaking about it openly and honestly. In Beltz’s case, I will gladly talk with him if he wants to talk. I WANT to know about how I hurt people. I can’t make things right if I don’t know for sure what I did or who I hurt.

Former congregants who have contacted me have been, so far, children who grew up in the churches I pastored. Now adults, they too are trying to come to terms with the past. In every instance, they accepted my apology and forgave me. They also told me that I was being too hard on myself, that no one forced their parents to attend one of the churches I pastored. They willingly became members, believing as I did that my preaching was powered by God, the Holy Spirit. Many of them just wanted someone to tell them what to believe or how to live their lives, and, being a good Baptist pastor, I was quite willing to fill this need. After all, this is exactly what my pastors, churches, and college professors did for me, shaping me into a man who would then take their teachings and harm several more generation of people.

While I find Beltz’s words hurtful, I bear them because I know how harmful my preaching, way of ministry, and demands for conformity were to people such as he. I don’t run or try to hide from my past. Anyone who wants to contact me can send me an email via the contact form. I respond to every email, though I can be somewhat slow in doing so. Health problems often keep me from being as timely as I would like to be, but I do answer every email sent to me.

Now, it is possible that Beltz is just a troll. Several commenters over the years have said they knew me or were members of one of the churches I pastored, only to be exposed as liars. One man went so far as to say that my whole story was a lie, that he knew people who lived in several of the areas I pastored, and none of them knew who I was.  In Beltz’s case, I am, until I know otherwise, giving him the benefit of the doubt. I hope he will contact me using a valid email address. I sincerely want to, as much as lies within me, right past wrongs. I hope Andrew will give me a chance to do so.


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    I just want to say that I admire that you own your mistakes and your past. That is a hard thing to do and many people can’t do it. I find it a pretty hard thing to do myself. Anyway, just wanted to let you know.

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    I’ve been reading your blogging posts for years. While still calling yourself a Christian actually. I think it was during that time you wrote a post that left me in tears. I think I commented on that post. I was so overwhelmed because you were a pastor that apologized.

    The pastor that abused us, never apologized and to my knowledge I never knew of a pastor who ever apologized for anything.

    The post you wrote that day was an apology by you for the harm you had caused others due to your past belief-system. It gave me hope. Hope Bruce. Hope in human decency, integrity and honesty. Though it may sound dramatic, that moment was part of my healing. The hope that even a pastor could publicly admit wrong and apologize. I was grateful and you didn’t know me from a fly on the wall, nor I you.

    I first identified with the bravery it took for you to admit it. But you touched my heart because I too, though farther along in the journey out of Christianity, was sorting through the guilt of any harm I had caused while in lay (unpaid position) youth ministry as well as any trauma I may have caused in raising our own children in such a legalistic church environment.

    For what it’s worth, I wanted to share again, thank you.

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    Bruce, I’ll say this – you have a big old loving heart. For those of us that know we’ll never get an apology from our former pastors it’s so healing to see that there are those out there who do and will say that they’re sorry for the harm they’ve done, intentionally or unintenionally. Thank you for this.

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      Agreed, but Andrew comes across as a dishonest troll who just wants to lash out at the former minister turned atheist. He isn’t using a real email address, so he doesn’t want to be contacted, and his comments do nothing but inflict insult and attempt to hurt. So I truly doubt Bruce has ever actually crossed paths with him.

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        Oh I agree. I think Andrew has all the earmarks of a troll just trying to bait and insult Bruce. But Bruce is still pretty awesome for being open to the slight possibility he might not be and being open to apologizing if Andrew is real.

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    My suspicion is this guy is just another Christian who, (doesn’t know you at all), read one or two posts on your blog & then got his feelings hurt because the big bad atheist dares to question his god, so then he goes & sends you a nastygram. I’m betting you never hear from this person again. Just my thoughts. I could be wrong though, however

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    Justine Valinotti

    Perhaps Andrew was hurt by some other pastor and is lashing out at you.

    Being true to yourself makes you a target for haters. Trust me, I know a thing or two about that!

    Thank you for being you, Bruce!

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