Is Jesus Really in the Midst of the Church?

jesus in our midst

 Again, truly I tell you, if two of you agree on earth about anything you ask, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them.” (Matthew 18:19-20 NRSV)

According to this passage of Scripture, when two or three Christians gather in Jesus’s name, he is among them or in their midst. I heard this claim countless times growing up. As a pastor, I would remind congregants that Jesus, in the person of the Holy Spirit, was in our midst. How did I know this? I “felt” it, as did others. How could it be otherwise? What evidence could I have provided for the claim that Jesus was literally with us as we praised and worshiped him? None. Oh, I claimed to have evidence: proof texts, souls saved, backsliders reclaimed, sins confessed, anointed preaching, spirited singing. Rare was a Sunday that I didn’t feel at some point or another the presence of God, as did countless congregants.

This belief is common among Evangelicals. What church and pastor doesn’t want to be known as spirit-filled people; believers who sense and know Jesus in sitting right there with them at church? It is not uncommon for churches to advertise their proximity to Jesus or his sidekick, the Holy Ghost. What do you do when ten local churches trumpet their Jesusness; especially when each church has different doctrines and practices from the others? Churches assume that if two or three members are gathered together, Jesus promised to be with them. However, that is a claim. How does any church or pastor actually know the man, the myth, and the legend Jesus H. Christ is among them? They can’t. This is a supernatural claim for which they can provide no evidence. Either you believe this claim or you don’t. That’s faith.

Look at all nonsense going on in Evangelical churches today — especially megachurches. Rock music, swaying singers, shallow sermons, and low expectations. I have watched enough church service videos to conclude that many megachurches are little more than entertainment venues for believers. Feel good pablum keeps people coming back week after week; ssumed by everyone is that Jesus is right there with them.

As an atheist, I am confident that the Evangelical God is a myth. This means Jesus is NOT in their midst; that what congregants feel are the effects of indoctrination, conditioning, and socialization. When you grow up in the church believing Jesus is with you, guess what? You are going to believe Jesus is your BFF. Every Sunday, Jesus is right there with you, as he is with everyone else. Well, except Deacon Bob. He’s been molesting children for years, but everyone pretends he is just “friendly” with children. Bob says he loves Jesus, but he loves feeling up little girls more. Do Evangelicals really believe that Jesus is with every last Christian, regardless of their behavior? Yep. Jesus is the eternal voyeur. He’s all-present and all-knowing. He sees and knows everything. So Jesus knows Bob is a pedophile, yet he allows Bob to play the sanctified part. Imagine how different Sunday church would be if Jesus said, “Deacon Bob, thou art the man.” And with that, he was hit by a bolt of lightning and died. Jesus sure showed him, right? Not really. After all, Bob is a born-again Christian. All that killing him did was take him to Heaven early. What a punishment, right? Meanwhile the children he molested are left behind to deal with the consequences of Bob’s wicked, vile behavior.

The Bible says this about Satan:

For such boasters are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ And no wonder! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is not strange if his ministers also disguise themselves as ministers of righteousness. Their end will match their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:13,14 NRSV)

Satan disguises himself as an angel of light and a minister of righteousness. The question that must be asked then is how Evangelicals know it is Jesus in their midst and not Satan? If Satan is a master of disguises, how can Evangelicals know he’s among them, and not Jesus. Or maybe both Jesus and Satan show up for Sunday church. How do Evangelicals determine whom to worship?

Oh Bruce, Evangelicals have discernment. This is a claim for which no evidence will be forthcoming. At least 80% of white Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump three times. Not too discerning, right? Look at what Trump is doing to the United States. Listen to his disgusting, vile rants on social media. A violent bully, Trump only cares about his image and bottom line. Yet, Evangelicals still support him, even after the release of the Epstein Files. They have been sucked into the Trump Cult, and it remains to be seen if ANYTHING will get them to see what a huge mistake it was to vote for Trump.

If I believed in God, and by extension Satan, I would conclude that Evangelicalism has largely been co-opted by Satan. Of course, I don’t believe this, so I am more inclined to think that Evangelicals have sold their souls for a bowl of pottage. They have traded piety for political power. They have abandoned their calling. Instead of arrogantly and proudly claiming Jesus is ever with them, perhaps Evangelicals will take a careful look at what they have become and repent.

Bruce Gerencser, 69, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 48 years. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist.

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11 responses to “Is Jesus Really in the Midst of the Church?”

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    GeoffT

    I was intrigued by your use of the word discernment. I’ve recently become an avid follower of AI, much more so than I ever was of Google or Wikipedia, both of which I used constantly at one time (of course I still do but not so much as I did). The point about AI is that it interacts with you as though it were a person. It’ll say things like “that’s a great question”, and finish with an invitation as to how the conversation might be continued. Indeed that’s becoming a problem, people actually thinking it’s their friend and not properly appreciating that they are bonding with a computer and some very advanced software.

    Friends ask me ‘how do you know that what it says is true?’ My reply is what has taken me to this point in life (admittedly after some pretty gullible early years, but that’s called learning!), and it is always “assess for credibility and exercise discernment”. That, for me, is the most important thing in life. If something seems too good to be true is a common saying, but it’s about credibility and discernment, something that many people don’t apply to their lives ever, and even the most discerning occasionally forget. It stops you getting scammed through your bank account and being fooled by ridiculous AI stories on YouTube. I don’t know if Jesus ever actually existed and I don’t really care, but I do know that anyone currently alive who claims to experience Jesus is not someone I would wish to entrust with anything of importance.

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    Revival “I Lie for Jesus” Fires

    Let’s get something straight here buddy boy. Shall we?

    You’re blinded by Satan. And that’s why you spit on everyone who tries to tell you the truth of the gospel.

    How you preached for 25 years is beyond me! And what exactly happened? No one has ever gotten a straight answer.

    Obviously you started listening to the wrong voice in the early 2000’s. 😭

    Whether you were truly born again is not for me or any other follower of Christ to say. But evidence and fruit shows that you are not !

    The day is going to come when your invitation will be closed!

    Just as Noah closed the door of the Ark!

    There will be no more invitations to repent and turn to Christ. From people in real life and on here Dr David Tee and Revival Fires, John ,Terri ,etc.

    I hope you respond before it’s too late. This could even be your last invitation although I hope not.

    This will be my last comment.

    I hope you don’t sleep that the Holy Spirit will break you and show you your need for Jesus Christ!

    God bless

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      GeoffT

      RF, I’m still waiting for you to explain how you can be sure that you are following the god and the Jesus that you think you are, and that it’s not Satan who’s deluding you? From an outsider point perspective I don’t think there’s any way you can be certain.

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    Jimmy

    “How you preached for 25 years is beyond me! And what exactly happened? No one has ever gotten a straight answer.”

    You need to work on your reading comprehension RF.

    “The day is going to come when your invitation will be closed!”

    What sensible invitation, upon refusal, results in eternal punishment? That seems to be more an ultimatum than genuine invitation.

    “This will be my last comment.”

    I doubt that.

    “God Bless.”

    By that RF means ‘F*** You’.

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      Revival Fires

      Go to hell Jimmy. POS.

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        Spoken like a true Christian. I thought you didn’t want anyone to go Hell? Yet, the moment you get butthurt, you rage against Jimmy and consign him to Hell.

        Hypocrite 🤣🤣

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        JT

        RF,

        As a Christian myself, I have no idea of how you can feel it’s okay to tell someone to “go to hell”, and then call them a POS… Everyone knows what that stands for and it could be equated to cursing by a lot of Christians. That is the exact opposite of what Christian behavior should look like. Jesus said to love your enemies and pray for those who spitefully use you, not condemn them to hell.

        I heard an old preacher once, and he’s been dead for 40+ years, say it this way:

        “I wouldn’t tell my worst enemy to go to hell, except maybe the devil… but I’d just tell him to go home.”

        Your attitude and words are precisely why most of the world wants nothing to do with the church any more. We’re supposed to be different, we’re supposed to be kind and loving. Try looking in the mirror and judging yourself first, then once you get that fixed you can look at others. I have a feeling you’ll be dealing with what’s in the mirror for awhile though if you do it honestly.

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          John S.

          JT, as a Catholic Christian, I’d like to just say “Thank you”. I have often responded to Revival Liars, but your response greatly surpassed all of mine.
          I don’t know if his overt nastiness and hypocrisy is intentional, or if he just can’t help himself. Either way everyone would be better off if he just kept his thoughts to himself.

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    “Whether you were truly born again is not for me or any other follower of Christ to say. But evidence and fruit shows that you are not !”

    Zoe: Not for you or any other and yet, you do.

  5. Troy

    You know I might believe, if not literally, but emotionally that a congregation of sincere Christians might be able to summon enough of a Jesus vibe that the “Jesus in our midst” might have some truth to it. While I can’t really condemn all churches, I suspect many conservative churches do not foster any kind of psychic improvement. It isn’t even preached, as the popularity of Trump attests to. Trump has 9 out of 10 criteria for being the Biblical antiChrist, yet here we are.

  6. Hi Bruce, I do agree that the political turn American Christianity has taken lately is about as antichristian as anything I’ve seen in 65 years aa a follower of Jesus. But I’ve lived long enough and have a good enough knowledge of church history to know it won’t last. (That alone is evidence that the Lord is still Lord of the church. That foolishness just doesn’t last. He corrects us.) The same for the health and wealth gospel and mega church performance meetings with bands and lights and smoke. I find the heart of Christianity is in small churches where fellowship (koinonia, if you remember) is the heart of our meeting together.

    It is there, and particularly in group prayer times when I sense the presence of the Lord most strongly. It is there, when we are listening to the Lord, that he Speakes. I am afraid that these days those are rare. But when they happen, it is special.

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