Dr. David Tee, whose real name is Derrick Thomas Thiessen, fired up his IBM-286 PC somewhere in a basement in the Phillippines and sent a year-end post about Bruce Gerencser and atheism to the blogosphere using a dial-up modem. Using his vast Neanderthal skills — my apologies to Neanderthals — Thiessen blathered on about four of my recent posts: Atheists are Leading the World Astray, “Normal” is a Just a Setting on a Washing Machine, The Age of Consent, and Is it Ever Okay to Lie? Thiessen did, at least for this post, stop using my content without linking to it. He did, however, refuse to call me by my name, leaving his ten readers uninformed as to who the “BG” character is.
What follows are Thiessen’s unedited comments about the content of the aforementioned posts. Enjoy. 🙂
Start of Thiessen’s words
We do not condemn the owner of the BG website as we know he was tricked and deceived into giving up his faith and salvation. But he continues to put mis-information about life, God and the Christian life & faith.
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Their ‘worldview’ may be stripped of heaven and salvation but it is not based in reality. So far, the only thing the atheist can provide to support their statements and claims is mere denial. That is all they have, as they have no evidence to prove their claims true.
We have been waiting for years for them to pony up but the can’t. They can appeal to science but so far what science has only accomplished is to prove the scriptures correct.Any alternative claim science makes is unverifiable.
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We will use the term ‘normal’ in a broader sense. Most people who do abnormal things, believe abnormal things and try to live alternative lifestyles want to feel accepted. They also feel that they are normal.
However, they are not as God has set the standard for normal and it is up to people to make sure they know what that is and ask God to help them get there. LGBTQ preferences are NOT normal. Being any type of fanatic is not normal thinking.
Normal is not just a setting on a washing machine. It is a standard that helps everyone see who needs help and who does not.
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This is the problem with many unbelievers. They want to see everything black and white so they do not have to do any work to understand what God is saying to them. One way to determine when a child can have sex is if they are old enough to marry.
No one can have sex outside of marriage. But since God gave us intelligence and let us explore his creation, we can turn to science who tells us that the child’s body is not ready for sex until puberty has passed.
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Sex with children is wrong and sex outside of marriage is wrong. All the passages of the Bible that speak on these issues will let a person know that Pedophilia is wrong.
God will say what people want to hear, they just have to be ready to understand what God is saying when he does not use the words people expect or want to see. It is sin that drives men and women to have sex with children and outside of marriage.is wrong.
One needs to check their lusts and have Jesus cleanse them from that sin for them to see clearly what the Bible says about sexual relationships.
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To answer the question in that article’s title- NO, it is never okay to lie. Jesus never lied and we, according to Paul, need to be like Jesus. The Bible also tells us that ‘we are not to lie one to another’ & ‘not to bear false witness’.
If you look at those verses and in their context, you will not find any escape routes that allow lying. Sorry women, if you are going to add hidden meanings to your questions, then we have no sympathy if your feelings are hurt.
Men and women are not to lead their husbands or wives, or children, to sin against God. it is wrong to ask those loaded questions as it leads to having people sin. We would rather have your feelings hurt than disobey God.
When women ask if a hat looks good or not, or if their jeans make them look fat, men are responding to the topic in the question. They are NOT making remarks about the women in those hats, jeans, and other clothing. They are answering the question you posed.
Men will still accept you as you are, but they also want you to know how you look in those clothing items. It is not a rejection of you but letting you know how you look and it may or may not be appealing.
We have seen a lot of women out in public, who have not asked our opinion about their hairstyle, lip color, clothing, fashion look etc., who make us wonder how they could consider themselves pretty with what they have on.
To let someone go out like that in public is worse than hurting their feelings as more people will be laughing behind their backs at them because they were not stopped. When answering these types of questions, make sure to tell the truth with love and not brutal honesty. Use a little tact as long as it is honest and not disobeying God.
The Nazi Germany and hiding the Jews is a difficult question but if we remain true to God’s word, then we would not be able to lie even if it meant people losing their lives if we told the truth.
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We are to obey God and lying is not obeying God, and this includes those little white lies people tell.
End of Thiessen’s words
I want to comment on one thing Thiessen said:
It is never okay to lie. Jesus never lied and we, according to Paul, need to be like Jesus. The Bible also tells us that ‘we are not to lie one to another’ & ‘not to bear false witness’.
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We are to obey God and lying is not obeying God, and this includes those little white lies people tell.
Lacking any sense of self-awareness, Thiessen doesn’t see the fingers pointing at him as he condemns ALL lying. Here’s a guy who has routinely borne false witness about me and Ben Berwick, and continues to lie about his name and his past — a past that includes abandoning his family. What I “see” is a hypocrite.
Happy New Year, David. May the Force Be With You. All praise to Loki in 2023.
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What is it about him using the royal “We?”
Also, seems like Dr T is lying throughout his exposition. Too bad you don’t have better enemies, Bruce.
I was snooping around some of Dr. T’s books you can buy on Amazon. In the foreword of “God, Korea, and Me”, Dr. T writes,
“We take no credit for the work as we prayed that God would help us get it right when we put our content on those public forums and media outlets…Then we use the word we, ours, theirs, etc., simply because we do not like the words ‘I’, “My’, “Mine’, and other first person pronouns. Since we asked God to be with us and help us those first person pronouns are not really acceptable here or in any of our works.”
Sounds like he’s a bit like Gollum in the Lord of the Rings books/movies. Gollum has two distinct personalities, Dr. T does as well. He has anointed his own internal voice to be the almighty.
So…he is using different pronouns to express his identity. What a novel idea…
What a creepy and stunted gargoyle of a man he is. Makes my skin crawl every time you post that photo of him. Ick.
Also he’s full of shit and doesn’t seem very bright.
If it wasn’t already absolutely clear that this ridiculous individual didn’t have the intellectual ability to obtain the academic qualifications he claims, it’s as plain as day from the statements he makes here. His lack of understanding of the words ‘science’ and ‘evidence’ clearly show an educational level that is surpassed by many 11 year olds. His views on lying put him, morally, beyond the pale. He’s a living example of how religious belief can lead to evil.
I’m so sorry that you have to endure Derrick’s non-stop, dishonest harping. You’d think he’d realise by now, that his lies are obvious, and his hypocrisy very plain for all to see.
He said something in another post, that I was going to respond to, and then decided it just wasn’t worth it.
[quote]Everyone is free to have a child or not to have one but that right to not have one ends when the women have sex and get pregnant. If you do not want a child, either do not have sex or take proper precautions.[/quote]
Does Derrick appreciate the incredible, astonishing hypocrisy here? He absolved himself of his parental responsibilities by running away, yet would lecture others on sex and sexual behaviour?
“They want to see everything in black and white so they do not have to do any work to understand…”
That’s rich. Most of us are atheists, or at least not fundamentalists, precisely because we have done the work to understand what we once believed. That is also a reason, for some of us, why we don’t see the world in black/white, saved/heathen or in any other binary way.
Gaslighting, anyone?
Oh, and “Tee’s” latest missive contains one of the most breathtakingly absurd false equivalencies I’ve seen: pedophilia with extramarital sex. I have been the victim of one, which is the reason why, while I condemn both, I see no relation between them but sex. Sexual abuse of children does, I believe, deeper and more lasting damage to its victims. Yet neither the Bible nor any church has any a priori prohibition against it; churches only sentence perpetrators to “prayer and penitence”—that is, if they are caught and punished. (On the other hand, the Sixth or Seventh Commandment, depending on whether we’re talking about Catholicism or Judaism and most Protestant churches, is, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”)
The exorcist spoof scene in one of the scary movies had less projectile vomit than david’s post.
When you went on your “rant” about his 386 and him being a neanderthal, I thought to myself, “that’s a bit harsh Bruce”. Now that I’ve read his post, I think maybe you were over gracious…what an embarrassment to thinking humans everywhere he is!
Methinks the DDT doth protest too much. I’m 99.999% sure he’s hiding something – perhaps in 2023 we’ll get to find out what it is.
Geez. I wonder who let him go out in public looking like that. Gross.
I made the mistake of reading some of Mr Tee’s blog and, oh my goodness, what a sorry mess. His grammar is poor, his assertions are completely unsupported by evidence or even by explanation (why is sex outside of marriage wrong, assuming the parties are ‘free’ and consenting? I’d argue it’s actually something that should be encouraged), and his lack of understanding of reasoned argument is astounding. The irony is that he clearly wants to project himself as something special, and hence his fraudulent use of the handle ‘Dr’. He deplores lying in any circumstances and yet his whole life is a lie.
He’s now gone off on a rant about how atheists cannot know morality. It’s the same tired waffle that we’ve heard before. https://theologyarchaeology.wordpress.com/2023/01/02/a-moral-code/
The start of his post is particularly strange. Apparently, responding to him, means you don’t like opposing viewpoints. I guess that means he hates your views, given the number of times he responds to you.
Another thing I’ve noticed a lot from Trump supporters, the alt-right, and fundies (which may be the Venn diagram of a circle!), is that they don’t understand metaphors, similes, irony, sarcasm, or anything that is connotative. Instead, they point to the denotative meaning of things and completely miss context. And it is pointless to argue with most of them, since they are either lying or actually don’t understand. This could be the case with DDT.