Dr. David Tee, whose real name is Derrick Thomas Thiessen believes a husband beating his wife is NOT grounds for divorce; that a wife must submit to her husband even if he beats her. It should be noted that Thiessen has been accused of spousal abuse in his previous marriage.
There is nothing to unpack [from the quote below]. Abuse is not the criteria for divorce. Are you greater than Jesus??
Dr. David Tee
Should Women Be Submissive to Their Husbands? By Dr. David Tee
Male leadership has been God-approved from the beginning. . . The NT gave the leadership role of the church to men, not women.
Throughout the Bible, we see this consistency and order from God. Why would he change this way of leadership for marriage and confuse everyone? Even if abuse is a part of the marriage, God does not change the leadership structure.
As Peter wrote- “In the same way, you wives, be subject to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won over without a word by the behavior of their wives, ( 1 Peter 3:1)
The Bible does not teach nor give permission for husbands or men to be abusive towards wives and other women. When men do that they are sinning and need to get right with God. But notice Peter’s words. They fall in line with Jesus’ words on divorce. Abuse is not grounds for divorce.
Nor is abuse grounds or permission for women to disobey God’s instructions given through the apostles. Wives are to remain true to God’s word, following it correctly so that Jesus can work in their husbands.
Those pastors and other well-meaning Christians who tell wives they can leave their husbands and divorce them in these situations are leading more women to sin and disobey Jesus.
It is difficult to leave women in those situations but it must be done.
Bruce Gerencser, 67, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 46 years. He and his wife have six grown children and sixteen grandchildren. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist.
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Sorry, this is the just the most evil and depraved comment Tee shit has posted
Yep. I agree. He is not a good man, a perfect example of how Bible literalism can rob a person of their humanity.
It’s not without irony that Thiessen himself is a divorcee himself! This is just another example of pompous, and hypocritical, preaching from a man who cannot practice what he preaches, rendering his words meaningless.
Until recently, I was of the opinion that no one read his site, and his words could be ignored. My opinion changed after seeing Evangelical women find his words about marriage/divorce/spousal abuse inspiring. They have concluded that Thiessen is being “persecuted” by people like you and me. Absolutely amazing. 🤬🤬😢😢
It seems someone has created a website, The Words of Dr David Tee, though I cannot find the actual link (Thiessen himself lacks the conviction to do so). I imagine this site will prove most illuminating.
https://drdavidtee.wordpress.com 🤣🤣❤️❤️
It doesn’t really add anything to Tee’s blog, just regurgitating his bullshit without commentary.
Tee’s despicable. Domestic abusers may only target their wives in physical abuse, but what about the children watching this? It will leave them traumatised for life, many will suffer PTSD, addictions, eating disorders, mental health issues etc. And the accompanying raging verbal abuse will terrify them too probably. And as well, when they get old enough to fight back, to step between their parents to defend mum against dad’s vicious blows, they’ll get beaten as well.
I know very little psychology, but I think it’s true that the abused can become abusers themselves, carrying on abuse into the next generation(s) of their families.
My therapist and I talked about this very thing at my last appointment; how childhood trauma deeply affects us later in life. I know that’s the case for me. For much of my life, I denied that was the case. It has been helpful to acknowledge trauma and chart a path forward.
So-called “Dr.” Tee can thank himself for the general decline of Christianity’s status among young people in particular. Sure, he’s not the only reason, pervasive sexual abuse is the greatest IMO. But overt hypocrisy and fundamentalist rigidity is a close second.
The New Testament, Paul’s epistles specifically, say a lot of things, most of which have to be kept in context for the time and place (the ancient Greco-Roman world). Even noble women were second class citizens, and slavery was common. Is that the world Dr Tee wants to create? He would probably stammer out some bullshit semi-modernist answer if asked about how Paul teaches slaves to be obedient to their masters, probably something like, “slavery was a common practice at the time but today we are more enlightened”. So why can’t Paul’s admonition that wives must be submissive to their husbands be answered the same way? Oh, and he conveniently leaves out Paul’s admonition to the husbands and how they are to treat their wives. Maybe because he himself would not meet this “Biblical” standard by the way he has lived his own personal life.
Not sure why Bible scholar Dr Tee mentions “Peter” when Paul’s letter to the Ephesians is the one most cited (link below). I wonder why Dr. Tee’s article isn’t about how husbands should treat their wives with the utmost sanctity and respect, instead of about how abused and mistreated wives should stay with their jackass husbands no matter what?
https://www.luc.edu/media/lucedu/mdsweddings/pdfs/Second_Reading_D07.pdf
The ongoing dialogue over at Insanitbytes blog is quite the eye-opener and shows the power of indoctrination.
She has yet to openly condemn the abuse of women /wives and since Silence of Mind ( a Catholic) entered the frame and Catholicism and it’s own brand of abuse became part of the dialoque she still refuses to condemn the rape and sodomizing of children, but rather deflect and point fingers at atheists.
Quite the character.
You remind me that we haven’t heard recently from Silence of Mind. Not a great miss I might say. He was reasonably gracious I recall until he got any significant pushback, at which point he resorted to his true character.
Yeah, I found their defenses of abuse mind boggling, yet I remember hearing sermons as a child that espoused similar beliefs.
I was a Fundamentalist Baptist, but I never espoused the “no divorce” position. I witnessed too much abuse perpetrated by “godly” men to ever say to a woman “you can’t leave or divorce him.”