Dr. David Tee, an Evangelical preacher whose real name is Derrick Thomas Thiessen, despises LGBTQ people — especially transgender folks. He is the epitome of a transphobe. His bigotry is common among Evangelicals who, lacking imagination, can’t fathom anything other than a cisgender, heterosexual, no-sex-before-marriage world. Thiessen not only disparages transgender people at every turn, but he also believes that justice and equal protection under the law doesn’t apply to them. He thinks transgender people are mentally ill and are under the influence of Satan. I suspect if Thiessen had his way, LGBTQ people would be rounded up and sent to sex/gender education camps.
Today, Thiessen wrote an ugly, vicious article titled, Why Should Anyone Support Transgender Rights? Without further response, I give you the words of sex/gender expert Dr. David Tee (all spelling, grammar, and punctuation in the original):
So far, there has not been one valid, legitimate, or even halfway good argument that presents any type of solid case for anyone to support transgender rights. There really isn’t one because if supporters were honest, they would realize that the concept of transgenderism is a mental and spiritual deception meant to harm unwary people.
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How can anyone seriously get behind the [transgender] movement when their supporters go to such extremes to bully others into silence or drop their opposition?
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Why should a minute minority be given such leeway when their American population is roughly under 1,000,000 people out of a population of 300,00,00+ people. On the world stage, the figures are just as bad.
Why should 8,000,000,000 +/- people have to give in to the demands of a people group barely making it to 5 million if that? We are not even talking about the issue of right and wrong here. We are just discussing how the rights of the vast majority are undermined and trampled in favor of those who are in desperate need of mental and spiritual counseling and therapy.
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The truth has to be told that transgender identification is wrong and cannot be given special rights. The people also need to be told that they need to go get mental and spiritual help if they want to be part of normal and real society.
There is nothing wrong with telling them the truth. What is wrong is supporting these delusions and allowing them to permeate society to the point that those who do what is right are punished. There was a time when this did not take place and almost all parts of society did tell the confused they needed help and offered to get them the help.
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People need to be rebuked about their sinful ways and corrected from them and transgenderism is sinful and all of its members and supporters need to be rebuked and corrected. Not the Christian.
There is no such thing as discrimination against what is wrong.
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When people cross moral boundaries, nothing immoral or sinful is out of line for them . . . They have no morals stopping them from harming those who disagree with them.
That condition tells you that there is nothing of God in transgenderism. it cannot be supported, given special rights, or normalized. It is a sin which needs to be repented of completely.
Fake men and women need to be treated, not the normal majority.
Bruce Gerencser, 67, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 46 years. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist.
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Many have come to salvation through Jesus Christ and come out of the demonic snare of Transgenderism and embraced the gender God created them to be. Prayers for many more to be saved!
And many atheists treat everyone with respect, minding their own business about the sex/gender of others. Further, most atheists don’t post violent comments on blogs or obsess over anal sex.
You have nothing to offer anyone on this site, bud. Get back to your gay porn and mind your own fucking business. Not only are you a terrible Christian, you are a disgusting human being.
Advice? Get rid of your Internet service and porn magazines and spend time pondering what it means to be a good person.
If you really want to leave filthy, disgusting comments on a blog, I suggest you do so on Dr. David Ted’s site. I’m sure he will agree with you.
Now fuck off.
Fuck you, Dumpster Fire, and fuck the Holy Spirit and the sin it rode in on.
I know almost nothing about transgenderism, though I do know three people personally who would fit the description. One in particular now sits well in their gender and nobody refers to them as anything other than their preferred pronoun and changed Christian name.
So what that the numbers involved aren’t massive? Does that mean they should be disrespected because they are a minority? And is it a mental illness? Well it certainly involves the brain, as does everything we see, do, and think but to say it’s an illness is ridiculous. Most people are right handed. Does that make left handedness an illness? Fundamentalist Christian belief is a minority, does that make them mentally ill (probably not a point I should have raised!)? Transgenderism is a fact of human life. To the individual it’s no more strange than being outright male, female, heterosexual, black African, red haired, left handed, scared of heights, or any other of the billions of characteristics that make us human. If God created us, then he also created transgender. Get over it. Once we learn to accept it we can then ignore it and get on with things that actually matter.
Excellent points, Geoff. I’m left handed. Ten percent of people are southpaws. I’m also redheaded. One percent of people are gingers. So, I’m a redheaded, left handed socialist atheist. 🤣 Talk about a small demographic. Does this mean that the same rights that apply to the majority shouldn’t apply to me; that the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights only applies to white, heterosexual Christian landowners?
As usual, Thiessen offers up awful irrational arguments not rooted in law, history, or human rights.
Left handed and a red head! Oh no. Characteristics my wife shares. You’re both doomed! 😂
It’s OK Bruce. Us red heads deserve love too. I didn’t know we were so rare. Did you know they have a red hair day in Holland? Not official, but a big local event.
I would like to ask “Dr” Tee, “show me where a transgender person ever hurt you”. No where? Then STFU and mind your own business.
Thiessen believes only he and his ilk should have any rights and freedoms. His fanaticism would erase the trans community, just as it would erase the LGBT community as a whole. He would love to destroy women’s rights as well, and I am quite certain he’s a racist too. A poorly educated, throughly dishonest charlatan.
There are people who are in the minority for certain characteristics outside their control. We should treat people with respect rather than being assholes to them. I maintain that if I am not trying to have sex with or to procreate with someone, their sex, sexuality, or gender are none of my business. Their lives do not affect me, but I respect their happiness. And wouldn’t it be a better world if others were happy (when it literally doesn’t harm anyone)?
I hate to concur even slightly, with anyone as repulsive as Tee or the orange demon of Mara Lago, the evil genius who hijacked LGBTQs as scapegoats. I am devoted to minding my own business if I am not involved. That being said, it’s an inherent human compulsion to defend powerless chidren from harming themselves. Not being that kind of a Doctor, I can’t assess the propriety or effectivenss of transgender surgery. It tends to be permanent and life changing which rouses my urge to rescue a child from immature decisions. I did many self destructive things as an unguided youth. As fortune had it, I survived immature emotional folly and I can look back in horror and relief. Youthful damage I did myself was survivable and reversable and I moved on. Reversing surgery isn’t so easy. Still, I’m agnostic about it and I know there is more to know. Meantime, it’s not my business unless and until it involves me.
A number of transgender people read this site. In past discussions with some of them, they are not opposed to science-based protocols for gender reassignment surgery. That said most surgeries on children are performed on people seventeen and older. A minor, yes, but hardly the “child” critics think is getting the surgery.
Surgery decisions should be made between the parents, patient, and doctors — not the government. Score of male infants are circumcised (male genital mutilation) every year—a permanent surgery almost no one questions. I see a double standard.
I’m all for vigorous debate on this subject, but most of the debate I see today is religiously motivated, caring not one bit about transgender people themselves. Here in Ohio, our dumb ass governor just signed a transgender bathroom bill into law. Nothing more than religiously driven hysteria that singles out a small, vulnerable demographic who just want to live their lives and be left alone.
Oh brother! Circumcision huh? Ritual sexual mutilation inflicted on defenseless baby boys soon after birth. Through some social dynamic, a superstitious religious ritual has become standard procedure for boys of all religions in this country, questionably touted as medically beneficial. The justification of improved hygiene is highly subjective and unscientific. While ritual female circumcison is properly regarded as criminal and barbaric mutilation, male circumcision has the status of having benefit. I regard it my good fortune to be born at home without medical care my impoverished immigrant family could not afford. Circumcision was not part of our culture but had a Doctor advised it, they may have allowed it. So I was deprived of (spared) this dubious surgical improvement while more fortunate (?) little Buckeye boys got their PP whacked. According to my information it was and is traditionally done without anaesthesia. Who cares? Babies scream a lot anyway. (OUCH!)
Well Dutch you need some education on this topic. Trans care for minors is an accepted medical process and has had wide spread acceptance and understanding, until then Christian’s and their conservative cohorts got involved.
Just understand that these “experts” that States use to defend their Laws to reject valid medical cae for trans youths are almost all anti-trans who use false statistics and fear to create a phantom “medical” excuse to completely ban this care without any regard for truth. Meanwhile, doctors, parents, and these kids have their right to make their own medical decisions ripped from them.
Trust me, no one is making an immature, emotional decision to become trans. This is not like sneaking an alcoholic beverage or whatever immature decisions you think you made.
Your idea of not permitting this care to avoid some perceived “damage” is just simply ignorant. The damage comes when trans people are forced to stay as they are, suffering, because selfish, bigoted, hateful Christian’s and their buddies band together to make that care illegal.
These kids are just used as a way to create fear, and it will set the basis to eliminate this care for people of all ages,
As far as “it’s not my business” well, I disagree. It is your business if you want to see trans and gender nonconforming people be able to live their lives as they see fit. If you just sit back and look the other way, then you just help the people who want to eradicate trans and gender non conforming people.
The people on this page are very rude.
And you are likely a troll.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/
July 8, 2024—A new study by researchers at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health found little to no utilization of gender-affirming surgeries by transgender and gender-diverse (TGD) minors in the U.S. The study also found that cisgender minors and adults had substantially higher utilization of analogous gender-affirming surgeries than their TGD counterparts.
The study was published on June 27 in JAMA Network Open. According to the researchers, it is the first quantitative comparison of gender-affirming surgery utilization between cisgender and TGD populations.
Previous research has consistently demonstrated that gender-affirming care for TGD people can be lifesaving in mitigating negative mental health outcomes such as depression, anxiety, and suicidality. Data has been limited, however, around the rates at which TGD youth are undergoing gender-affirming care, including surgery. Despite this uncertainty, in recent years, twenty-five states have banned gender-affirming care for TGD minors. This fall, the Supreme Court will rule on whether such bans are constitutional.
In the context of this lack of data—and this contentious political climate—the researchers used the most recently available data from a 2019 nationally representative pool of medical insurance claims to identify individuals who received a gender-affirming surgery with a concurrent TGD-related diagnosis. Cases where patients had any other medical indications for surgery outside of gender-affirmation, such as breast cancer, were excluded from the analysis. The researchers also compared the relative use of breast reductions by cisgender men and TGD people. Breast reduction surgery was chosen as a point of comparison given that it is the only gender-affirming surgery that is commonly covered by insurance for minors and adults.
The study found no gender-affirming surgeries performed on TGD youth ages 12 and younger in 2019. This was expected, the researchers said, as current international guidelines do not suggest any medical or surgical intervention for TGD individuals prior to puberty. For teens ages 15 to 17 and adults ages 18 and older, the rate of undergoing gender-affirming surgery with a TGD-related diagnosis was 2.1 per 100,000 and 5.3 per 100,000, respectively. A majority of these surgeries were chest surgeries. When considering use of gender-affirming breast reductions among cisgender males and TGD people, the study found that cisgender males accounted for the vast majority of breast reductions, with 80% of surgeries among adults performed on cisgender men and 97% of surgeries among minors performed on cisgender male teens.
“We found that gender-affirming surgeries are rarely performed for transgender minors, suggesting that U.S. surgeons are appropriately following international guidelines around assessment and care,” said co-author Elizabeth Boskey, instructor in the Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences.
Lead author Dannie Dai, research data analyst in the Department of Health Policy and Management, added, “Our findings suggest that legislation blocking gender-affirming care among TGD youth is not about protecting children, but is rooted in bias and stigma against TGD identities and seeks to address a perceived problem that does not actually exist.”
The authors noted limitations to the study, including its reliance on diagnostic and procedure codes in claims data to determine clinical justifications for surgery and the TGD or cisgender identity of patients. Their analyses also did not capture self-paid surgeries.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/gender-affirming-surgeries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/
I agree that the surgery and sports aspects of the transgender issue needs to be handled by experts, scientists and stakeholders. NOT politicians, priests, pastors, rabbis or imams, morning talk show hosts, etc.
I also feel that honest and respectful (and informed) dialogue and feedback on concerns about the specifics is not the same as blatant transphobia (which is what so-called fake Dr. Tee did with his usual black and white “thinking”).
Most importantly, though, the folks who are actually affected the most should have the biggest seat at the table, specifically those who are transgender and their family members.
Like a lot of complex issues, we all get further when we stop the “yay for my side” shouting and condemning, particularly of a vulnerable population, and start actually talking to one another.
My interactions on Bruce’s page have changed my perspective on a lot of issues. Interacting with everyone has helped me personally to see the humanity of others, and to appreciate them. So if I can change my attitude, even slightly, to be more compassionate, that is a good thing.
I, a transgender woman, have never tried to “bully” anyone or “silence the opposition.” I simply try to explain who and what I am, and what being trans means.
I tried repenting, thinking that I could pray–or have it prayed–out of me. That, and the bullying I experienced, led me to, among other things, suicide attempts—the last one shortly before I started my gender affirmation (“transition”) process.
Granny, rudeness is called for when dealing with transphobes. Not your body? Not your business.
Tee insists he is not a transphobe, and uses a “dictionary” to prove it. 🤣🤣 Evidently, he doesn’t understand the colloquial use of words. His response is classic Tee. 😢😢
https://theologyarchaeology.wordpress.com/2024/12/06/two-things-2/
He’s right about one thing: bullies aren’t smart. An interesting bit of unwitting self-reflection on his part 😉
The funny thing is all I did was quote him. His words, not mine. There was a time we both thought Thiessen was deluded, but a decent bloke. Three years later, my most charitable description of Thiessen is that he’s a textbook example of someone who has spent his entire seven decades of life in Fundamentalist Christianity. He has lost the ability to think rationally and skeptically. Instead, he is certain he is right about virtually everything. I’ve yet to see him ever — not one time — admit to being wrong or correct himself. Instead he doubles down and attacks anyone who disagrees with him. This behavior of his predates us knowing him. He’s been banned from numerous sites — never his fault.
I wish I could say he’s an outlier, but I know a lot of preachers just like him. 😢😢
That’s the thing, isn’t it? All one has to do in order to demonstrate how odious he is, is to quote his own words, and provide examples of his behaviour. He has hoisted himself by his own petard, as they say.
My near relative is a doctor. It’s beginning to concern her, in the UK, that some teenage patients, consulting her for something else, have admitted to buying dodgy hormone drugs online as they explore their transgenderism. Friend who is a senior volunteer for Childline, a most-respected telephone counselling service for children in the UK, says the same. The more the subject is banned – like with abortion – we’re going to go back to ‘the good old days’ when women tried self-inducing terminations and were harmed, or even died as a result. There’s already more than a few trans teens who’ve sadly commited suicide, there will be more if transphobes have their way and more have to resort to buying potentially bad medications online.
You bring up a good point about self treatment. Trans teens need competent psychological and medical help. Driven to the streets out of fear, they will seek unsafe alternatives. As you stated, we are now seeing that with abortion too.
I feel like Rip Van Winkle. I woke up and found out we are now living in 1950. Scary thought. 😢😢
Self treatment has a long and sordid history in the United States and is far more common than most people realize, and it is far beyond hormones purchased from sketchy places. The results can be horribly damaging and life threatening. We have laws being passed in many states to limit trans medical care for minors and adults alike, and if Trump follows through with his threats, it will be starting at a federal level. This will only lead to more people of all ages searching out back alley treatments. But that’s ok, no one really cares about that, just as long as all trans people are shoved back into the dark corners
I for one, am terrified about what is coming for people like me.
Bigots like this lowlife, using religion as a giant bat, are gleefully attacking and taking away the rights of all trans and gender non conforming people. Its always some version of “protect the kids” or “protect the women” from these deviant, weird, mentally challenged, perverted, etc ,etc, person, even though the dangers are low to non-existent.
If Trump, and other congress people have their way, they will start, on day one, ripping rights from trans people, both adult and children. This is Trumps stated goal. And the halls of congress are already limiting bathroom access because a single trans woman was elected to congress.
When they start this at a federal level, and it will start in January, anyone of use who live in states that have laws that recognize and support us will see those laws overriden by federal law. Trump, and anti trans people in congress, most certainly has a desire to use federal law to force states with protections to lose those protections.
Trans rights – that is, the right to simply exist and go through life without harrassment – were making progress until christians started screaming their hatred and bigotry. Christians created the supposed “culture war” and made trans and gender non conforming people a pariah. They won’t stop until we are eradicated. I know it sounds crazy, but its reality.
I hear everyone talking about trans and non gender conforming people “bullying” others into silence, but the reality is, we are being bullied (and always have been) into silence and non existence. And its working in many cases. I spend far less time, even on this site, defending rights and taking stances.
Its just not safe anymore.
I hear you, Sage. I genuinely fear for my transgender friends and acquaintances. As you stated, we were making meaningful progress, but then the MAGA crowd — most of whom are right wing Christians — started using transgender people as a weapon in their ugly culture war.
Before the election, we watched countless political ads about two issues: transgender people using the wrong bathroom/ruining women’s sports and those damn criminal illegals who are flooding into our white streets, eating our pets, and taking our jobs. The ads infuriated me, but they worked. Not a shred of truth in the ads. And what did my Democratic senator and representative do? Ran ads that portrayed them as centrist Democrats. I told Polly in a fit of rage, these assholes sound like Republicans. Not one Democrat mentioned transgender people, or gay people, for that matter. I’m beginning to think I’m done with the Democratic Party. 🤬🤬🤬
Sage: “Its always some version of “protect the kids” or “protect the women” from these deviant, weird, mentally challenged, perverted, etc ,etc, person, even though the dangers are low to non-existent.”
This says it all Sage.
Terrible Tee: “There is no such thing as discrimination against what is wrong.
Zealous Zoe: I suppose when your ancestors came ashore here in the west, they saw how wrong it was for Native Americans and Indigenous Peoples to exist? Wrong, wrong and wrong. Time to wipe them out or at least try to wipe them all out. How moral of us. We are God’s chosen. There is nothing of God in “those” people. Fake humans need forced conversion or killed.
Who needs to repent Tee?
Once again, Tee and his style of writing reminds me of a propaganda minister from some totalitarian dictatorship, reminding their citizens what “right thinking” is. His use of “we” implies solidarity from some unseen mass of people, when in fact his propaganda comes from his own deluded mind.
He also constantly un-persons (to use an Orwellian term) those whom he despises, referring to Bruce as “BG” and Ben as “MM”. He also toys with language, like the fictional “Ingsoc” government from the book “1984”. This was shown by his attempt to redefine the term “transphobia”.
I’m just waiting for the Dr. David Tee revised book on the English Language, complete with his new terms for everything under the sun.
Thiessen, fundamentally, is cowardly. I loathe making such statements, but his actions leave me no choice. His treatment of Bruce, his mockery of Bruce’s health issues, and ignorance of Bruce’s history and honesty, has been awful. His claims of ‘reference material’ are obviously lies, because no professional would conduct themselves in the manner Thiessen has.