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Christians Say the Darnedest Things: The Government Has Zero Jurisdiction Over Churches

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The government has zero jurisdiction over the local church. In any way. It neither defines it nor regulates it. That is solely the jurisdiction of Christ Jesus.

— Denise, Surph’s Side, “God vs Government”: the pretend heroics of Grace Community Church, August 15, 2022

Denise defines herself this way:

My name is Denise. I grew up in the Charismatic movement, but God delivered me out of it, and I thank Him for that. My heart is to show other believers the error of various movements(WOF, NAR, Seeker Friendly, Reformed theology/New Calvinism).I want to help them find truth through Scripture. I love the Word of God and hold it dear to my heart. It is the standard by which I filter everything, including doctrine & politics, including my own thoughts and actions. Ps 138:2 There is One God, and within the One God there are three distinct, co-equal and co-eternal persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit(1Peter 1:2; Matt. 28:19; Matt. 3:16-17; John 14:16-17). Literal 6 day Creation is Truth.Scripture is infallible, inerrant, & God-breathed (2Tim. 3:16, Heb.4:12, Ps. 19 & 119). Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone for the glory of God alone apart from any works (baptism, prayers, walking an aisle, etc.) so that no one can boast (Eph. 2:8-10). God is totally Sovereign in ALL things (Ps 33). I do mean ALL. Man is responsible for his sin. God is responsible for saving the elect through HIS means.


Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist.

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    MJ Lisbeth

    Just another Christian who thinks her Christianity is the “right” one.

    If and when folks like her get the Christian theocracy they want, it’ll bite them in the ass: Whoever gets the levers (or gun barrels) of power will aim that at anyone they deem as “infidels,” i.e., anyone whom they deem as deviants from their orthodoxy. It has happened in every single theocracy, whether modern-day Iran or Saudi Arabia or the Massachusetts Bay Colony of four centuries ago.

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    Pet peeve: “I have a heart for”. No, dumbass, you have a heart for pumping blood. Sorry….I just can’t deal with these people.

    So Denise is a Bina Fide True Blue Washed in the Blood Real Christian. Got it.

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