I genuinely feel sorry for Dr. David Tee, whose real name is Derrick Thomas Thiessen. A former college-trained Christian Missionary and Alliance preacher, Thiessen has constructed for himself a Christian gospel that bears no resemblance to the gospel found in the Bible or that which is believed by Evangelical Christians everywhere. Thiessen finally declaring his heretical gospel helps me understand his thinking and some of the bizarre things he has said in the past. Many of the readers of this blog are former Evangelicals. As you read Thiessen’s gospel, ask yourself, does this resemble anything you heard in church or preached as a pastor? Let me know your thoughts in the comment section.
Anyone, thieves, murderers, children, adults, LGBTQ members, atheists, and more people are all welcome to accept Christ as their savior. The only aspect of human life NOT invited or included in this plan or paradise is sin.
Every person who wants to go to God’s paradise has to give up their sin and practice it no more. Sin is not allowed in God’s home. The knowledge of sin is clearly defined and well documented as well as proclaimed.
Everyone knows God’s definition of what is sin and what is holy behavior. There is no secret and everyone has access to the Bible. They can read it for themselves if no one does it for them. [The Bible says the natural man CANNOT understand the things of God.] Those definitions do not change and humans cannot change it or add to them.
The definitions are clear and understandable so that no one has an excuse if they do not give up sin and live by God’s rules.
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People look to get away from God through these false ideologies like diversity and inclusiveness yet those false ideologies only remind people that like God there are always rules and not everyone is going to like them.
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If people want to go to God’s home and paradise, they must abide by God’s rules. There is no way around this fact. Only God can change those rules and he won’t as he remains the same. The rules are the rules and you need to accept that if you want a chance to live for eternity and avoid hell.
No matter how nice a person you think you are, you still need to accept Jesus as your savior and give up all sins and the practice of it to make it o heaven. There will be many famous people who have lived good and moral lives but they won’t make it to heaven.
The reason for that is the rule for salvation. Being good and moral is not the criteria to make it to heaven. [Isn’t stopping all sin being good and moral?] The rule to make it to heaven is to accept Christ as your savior and live by his rules. As Jesus said, why do you call me lord yet do not do the things I say (quoted from memory). [Jesus also said “there is none that doeth good, no not none.”]
The Bible also says that obedience is better than sacrifice. While those good and moral people may sacrifice sin and unethical behavior, they did not obey the rule for salvation. Thus they cannot expect to make it to heaven.
This is fair and just as the rules for salvation apply to everyone and that is very inclusive and diverse.
I am sure that Thiessen will say I misrepresented him, but the aforementioned words are his, not mine. What I read is a works-based gospel that is antithetical to salvation by grace. If perfection — the forsaking of all sin — is required for salvation and entrance into the eternal Kingdom of God, Heaven will be void of human life. No Christian, including Thiessen, will make it. I encourage David to really rethink what he believes, especially in light of his own sinful behavior. He better hope salvation is by grace. If not, he’s going to be burning in Hell with the very people he routinely condemns for behavior he deems sinful.
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And what of those people who never heard of Jesus because they were born in the wrong place or time?
Thiessen’s response, just as I predicted, says I misunderstood his words or I am lying about him. At the end of his defense of his heretical gospel, he decides, once again, to attack my character. Thiessen does not comprehend nor understand the Christian gospel, especially the Evangelical gospel. This fact will be clear to anyone with a rudimentary understanding of the gospel. He tries to bring John MacArthur to his defense, however he misuses MacArthur’s words. Thiessen can put this issue to rest by sending his post to MacArthur and ask him what he thinks about his representation of the gospel. I suspect MacArthur will come to the same conclusion as I have. Thiessen is either confused or he’s preaching heresy.
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When we were in Korea, we would participate n different English Teacher forums among other forums. One of the things we noticed was that when we made a specific comment, the persons responding to our remarks never got our point right.
They would change what we said into what they wanted us to say and then respond to that reconstructed point. They were not responding to our point and missed what we said consistently. That is frustrating.
As time has gone by we see that practice has not changed as even BG does it without posts. He has written a post titled- Dr. David Tee’s Heretical Gospel- in which he attacks his own thoughts not what we actually write.
He continues to misunderstand what is written on this website and forgets that we are writing to those Christians who still believe. We do not try to rehash what believers already know but lead them to a better understanding of scripture so their lives can be pleasing to and bring glory to God.
In our writings, we may not touch on core gospel doctrines for the aforementioned fact. We are building on that knowledge so believers can be strong in their faith. This is why we wrote our books so that Christians can be strong in their faith and withstand the attacks of evil done through unbelieving bible scholars, scientists, and archaeologists.
We are not worried if unbelievers misunderstand what we say because they do not have the Spirit of Truth helping them get to the truth. They are deceived and being deceived by evil so it is a no-brainer that they will misunderstand what is being taught within these pages.
As you read Thiessen’s gospel, ask yourself, does this resemble anything you heard in church or preached as a pastor?
At no time have we claimed or stated that were are or were writing a new or our own gospel. That is read into our words by BG and other unbelievers. We have not changed one iota of the gospel found in the Bible as the post BG was responding to mentioned that salvation was through Jesus Christ.
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We did not say that salvation was by works. What we did say was that to be saved one had to follow God’s rules and that quoted verse is one of God’s rules. You cannot save yourself by doing good works.
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We could say that but we feel that he clearly misunderstood what was said. And his misunderstanding shows in his words and false accusations. He may have quoted our words but he did not represent them or understand them correctly.
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As you can see, he is using his own words, not any objective help that may clarify what was said. Instead of clarifying he writes a misguided post attacking what we have said. That is one thing we have not liked as the 21st century has gone continued.
People leap to faulty conclusions, make bad assumptions then attack the speaker or writer for the reader’s or listener’s failure to understand what was written. This is why we have taught with God’s help that you do not use interpretation but follow the Spirit of Truth to the truth.
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Where BG and other unbelievers get it wrong is when they claim that Christians who sin are still living with their old nature and are practicing sin. That is erroneous. Christians do not practice sin anymore like they did when they were unbelievers. They may fall to temptation, peer pressure, attacks from evil but they are not practicing sin at all.
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People try to find ways to live as they please and justify their behavior and words by using the Bible incorrectly. Prior to the blog post, we are responding to BG wrote (And by the way he used his initials in a blog post he published and wrote on his website as well) about his last church.
We analyze his words and actions and see that he could have avoided many of his problems and still remained in the faith if he followed scripture correctly. We see in his words that he had many areas to work on in his personality, how he treated others, and so on, but did not so he had a troubled pastoral life from the beginning.
He really is in no position to criticize anyone but he likes playing the victim and getting the attention. Sadly, it is too late to help him or we would.
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https://theologyarchaeology.wordpress.com/2023/07/29/non-christians-misunderstand/
I don’t think he’s in any way been strawmanned in the way he claims. If atheists understand anything it’s strawmanning, because it’s the only way apologists can attempt to respond (for example, “atheists claim that something came from nothing, checkmate atheists”!). When Mr Tee says he’s been strawmanned he’s referring to what he calls reading his posts requiring the ‘Spirit of Truth’. He’s not denying he says what he says, he’s arguing that one must change perspective to understand what he writes. That’s not strawmanning.
His response with regards to sinning is, as in all his writings, weak and confused. What he’s trying to say is that sinning in any way is wrong, so hence why it’s perfectly reasonable to think he’s advocating salvation by works, and this smothers his point that if you accept Jesus and the holy babble then you won’t be drawn into sin. I think that’s what he’s trying to say. I might just say that a) to an outsider this makes no sense, as one’s person’s sin is another person’s reasonable behaviour, and b) from things we’ve been told about Tee from people who know him we know he’s a very…flawed?….person.
He’s such a hypocrite.
No sin in Heaven? My dear Dr. T., how can it be heaven? It reminds me of the revamped soulless live action 2022 Disney Pinocchio where instead of drinking beer and having cigars in Pleasure island, they’re drinking Root beer and sugary snacks! God LOVEs sin… that’s why he watches people masturbate. You know He is, Amen!
I read his words twice , or tried to, then my eyes crossed, just like when I read symbolic cosmology (math symbols, few words) What is he trying to convey? What language is he using? It certainly doesn’t sound like English.
In the Southern Baptist faith I grew up in, and at the fundamentalist (basically IFB) school I attended, salvation was predicated on repenting and asking Jesus to save you. And supposedly he would if you really really meant it. Sin was separate. Once saved always saved meant just that. If you committed sin, you didn’t lose Salvation, you just lost standing with God now and in heaven if you didn’t resent and change.