Commenter says, “Bruce, You were No Good as a Pastor and You Hurt Our Family”


Republished from 2017

Some time ago, a man who says his name is Andrew Beltz left a troubling comment on the Why I Hate Jesus post. Beltz wrote:

So Bruce admits he is a hater. O.K. He has legitimized hate.

Now I can tell you Bruce that I hate you, you fat disgusting thing, because you were no good as a pastor and you hurt our family.

Yes, Bruce, I remember.

I immediately sent Beltz an email. Unfortunately, he used a fake email address, so my email to him bounced. Here’s what I wrote:

Andrew,

Before I post your comment, I would appreciate it if you would elaborate more on the claims made in your comment. I have no recollection of pastoring anyone with the last name Beltz. I see that you currently reside in the Goshen, Kentucky area. I have never lived in Kentucky. Perhaps you moved away from one of the areas I pastored. Which church were you a member of or at which church did you have a negative experience with me?

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Bruce Gerencser

Comments such as this always trouble me, and here’s why: I readily admit that my preaching, beliefs, and ministerial practices were harmful. When I have been able to talk with offended/hurt congregants privately, I have apologized to them for the harm I have caused. While I could justify myself by saying that I too was abused, and that I was simply a product of the religious environment I grew up in, I choose, instead, to own my behavior. I now know I hurt people. I didn’t at the time, but years of reflection have led me to conclude that I hurt my wife and children, along with the hundreds of people who once called me pastor or preacher. While I was a loving, helpful, kind, and compassionate pastor, I know that what I preached and what I modeled to congregants was psychologically harmful. And in some instances, patriarchal beliefs about child-rearing and family structure caused physical harm. That is what Fundamentalism does. It hurts the hurting, harms the harmless, and causes untold damage to people who sincerely buy into the lies. A lifetime of days is not enough for me to say I am sorry. There’s nothing I can do about the past other than speaking about it openly and honestly. In Beltz’s case, I will gladly talk with him if he wants to talk. I WANT to know about how I hurt people. I can’t make things right if I don’t know for sure what I did or who I hurt.

Former congregants who have contacted me have been, so far, children who grew up in the churches I pastored. Now adults, they too are trying to come to terms with the past. In every instance, they accepted my apology and forgave me. They also told me that I was too hard on myself, that no one forced their parents to attend one of the churches I pastored. They willingly became members, believing as I did that God, the Holy Spirit, empowered my preaching. Many of them just wanted someone to tell them what to believe or how to live their lives, and, being a good Baptist pastor, I was quite willing to fill this need. After all, this is exactly what my pastors, churches, and college professors did for me, shaping me into a man who would then take their teachings and harm several more generations of people.

While I find Beltz’s words hurtful, I bear them because I know how harmful my preaching, way of ministry, and demands for conformity were to people such as him. I don’t run or try to hide from my past. Anyone who wants to contact me can send me an email via the contact form. I respond to every email, though I can be somewhat slow in doing so. Health problems often keep me from being as timely as I would like to be, but I do answer every email sent to me.

Now, Beltz may be just a troll. Several commenters over the years have said they knew me or were members of one of the churches I pastored, only to be exposed as liars. One man went so far as to say that my whole story was a lie, that he knew people who lived in several of the areas I pastored, and none of them knew who I was.  In Beltz’s case, I am, until I know otherwise, giving him the benefit of the doubt. I hope he will contact me using a valid email address. I sincerely want to, as much as lies within me, right past wrongs. I hope Andrew will give me a chance to do so.

Bruce Gerencser, 69, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 48 years. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist.

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8 responses to “Commenter says, “Bruce, You were No Good as a Pastor and You Hurt Our Family””

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    Matilda Jones

    I’m so sorry Bruce that you have to put up with this sort of thing – constantly. Hubs and I ran the Youth Fellowship of our church. We praised the lawd when newly weds, that he’d ‘led us’ to buy our first house which had an unusually large lounge, near the church, so held meetings there, up to 40 teens crammed in, some sitting on the stairs, once we had over 50 attend for a well known speaker and ran out of coffee mugs, so the last arrivals saw my jam jars in the cupboard and brewed themselves a coffe in them!!! My homemade cookies were always a draw too! We left the area, but have occasionally heard of some of our flock….one thanked us for leading him to jesus, he now pastored a big church. Others are lifelong leaders or pillars of fundy-churches in other parts of the UK…..and I now am so very sorry we set what seems like a big number, on a life-path based on balderdash and fiction.

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    John S.

    Kudos to you Bruce for your willingness to do the work, so to speak. Attempting to make amends is always a difficult but (at least IMO) important step in our growth.

    Unfortunately there will always be haters. You have mentioned before the derision you get from not only the Yay-Jesus! folks but also the hardcore anti-theists for not being “atheist enough”. These type of people will never be satisfied with anything you do or say, because for them it is not about religion or atheism, it is about their own tendency towards petty tyranny. Does that make them bad people? It’s hard to say. Sometimes people who have had traumatic experiences, especially when they were young, respond by a need for control, since they experienced fear and chaos in their formative years. This trauma can come from being raised in a fundamentalist religion, or it can come from just having abusive assholes for parents and relatives too.

    So we do what we can. This Andrew person can be a troll with too much time on their hands, a general jackass overall who just likes to be provocative, or someone who was a child raised in a fundamentalist religion that caused them distress in their youth. Either way you’ve taken the high road like you always do.

    1. I believe that nearly all of us have hurt somebody, intentionally or not. Some of us—like you, Bruce—sincerely believed that what we did would make people’s lives better (which, it seems to me, has been your true motivation). If we learn otherwise, all we can do is try to make amends, which you are obviously trying to do. If someone like Andrew Beltz has nothing better to do than hurl invective at you, he must have a sad, empty life— or, as John S says, suffered some sort of trauma from which they haven’t healed.

  3. While I know this is a repost, it has been quite some time since I have received any posts from you. I sincerely hope you are still alive and kicking as the world is a better place with you in it.

    Steve Ruis
    Chicago, IL

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    I could see that comment being a nightmare to receive. Without specifics, how does one respond? And given specifics, will a conversation with Andrew change anything.

    When we resigned our youth ministry we despaired for those who had always respected us. We loved what we were doing and we loved those kids and their families. We knew there was no chance of us being “believed” and sadly, the entire church was berated to put the fear of God into them. We lost friends, our children lost friends and we became part of the ongoing saga of that church and its toxicity. If we had known better we never would have walked into the place.

    I could see some adults and perhaps kids maybe hating us, not knowing what really went wrong. One moment you are there, the next you aren’t. The gossip starts up and before you know it, people who you once trusted have convinced everyone that you are the enemy and that you abandoned not only them but God Himself.

    The entire enterprise was an embarrassment of riches.

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    Revival “I Lie for Jesus” Fires

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    Environmental Scentist

    The website fastpeoplesearch can help in situations like these. I won’t post the results in case they lead to someone not involved

    When I looked up Andrew Beltz of Kentucky I found someone who has also lived in West Bloomfield, is that close to where you lived in Michigan? The listing also lists associates with several surnames. There were also a few in Ohio.

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      In college we lived near West Bloomfield. Polly cleaned house for a rabbi and wife who lived in West Bloomfield.

      Not sure why your comment went to moderation. You are on my good list. 😜❤️

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