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It’s the time of month, no not THAT time of month,  when I share what is new on The Way Forward and I remind readers of the various ways they can access this blog, contact me, or make a donation.

Health News

Not much to report. I am alive, still in pain, still fatigued and tired all the time, confined to a recliner/wheelchair some days and…well you get the drift. Perhaps the good news is that there is no bad news to report.

Guest Posts

I am always looking for people to write a guest post. Do you have something you would like to write about? Please let me know and I will gladly publish your guest post on The Way Forward.

You don’t have to be an atheist to write a guest post. Maybe you disagree with me on something and you want to set me straight. Write away… I am especially interested in publishing your deconversion story. If you need to, you can write anonymously.

Please use the contact form to send me your guest post.

Comment Spam and Attempts to Login to The Way Forward

By the end of July, it is likely that Akismet will have caught and I have manually deleted over 50,000 spam comments. Yes, that’s right….50,000. As you can see from this chart,

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Akismet is catching the vast majority of the spam and automatically deleting them. I am having to manually delete about 200-300 comments a day from the spam folder. I am also having to watch for and delete spam left by real people. These comments are the most time-consuming because I have to read each of them. They often sound like real comments. Fortunately, this spam onslaught has turned me into an expert on how to spot a spam comment.

I use a login blocker to deal with attempts to access the WordPress admin panel. On most days, there are a dozen or so attempts to guess the user name/password combination and access the admin panel. Last week, for one 24 hour period, someone decided to run some sort of script or bot in hopes of gaining access. They made over 6,000 attempts in a 24 hour period. (I have an idea who the person is)


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Each month, a handful of people make a donation to the Bruce Gerencser Relief Fund. I appreciate each donation, regardless of the size. I view the donations as an act of kindness to me by my friends.

When I started blogging seven years ago, I decided I did not want to have advertising on my blog. I don’t blog to make money. I blog because I need to write. Donations are always appreciated, but they will never determine whether I blog. In other words, you can’t buy me! :)

I told my counselor about the recent $100 donation from a fundamentalist Baptist evangelist. I told him that I accepted the donation but asked him not to send me any further donations. He told me, Bruce, money is money. I know that, but I don’t want someone thinking that just because they sent me a donation that I am going to see their God/religion in a different light. My faith can not be bought!  Well, maybe for $50,000 it can. :) By all means, tempt me!

The donation form is on the sidebar if you would like to make a donation.

As always, thank you for reading The Way Forward. Your kindness and support mean a lot to me, and I know my life is richer because of it.

Bruce Gerencser

Published: July 25, 2014 | Comments: 6

What to Do if the Russians Nuke Us This Week

I was born in 1957. The following video accurately portrays what I heard and experienced as a young child in California.

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These days, local officials only blow the siren if a tornado has been spotted nearby and we know that if a nuclear bomb is dropped on us we might as well kiss our ass goodbye.

The real issue is WHY we still have a nuclear armed world? Last night, John Oliver tackled the issue of American nuclear weapons:

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Published: July 28, 2014 | Comments: 0

Hi, I’m One of Bruce’s Friends

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The phone rang earlier today and it was Suzanne, a woman who comments on this blog. She and her husband were vacationing in Ohio and we had hope to connect on their way through NW Ohio.Unfortunately, we were not able to meet. I was really looking forward to meeting Suzanne and her husband, but Polly had to go to work so we ran out of time to do so. (and if any of you are within a Toledo, Ohio/Fort Wayne, Indiana distance from our home in Ney, I would love meeting you)

After Polly picked up the phone, Suzanne said, Hi, I’m one of Bruce’s friends. This one little, friendly statement reveals how different my life is today than it was when I was an Evangelical church member and pastor.

Most of the churches I grew up in taught me to avoid the opposite sex. Girls were temptresses and Jezebels out to rob poor, weak, pathetic young men of their virtue. I was told to avoid the very appearance of evil, and evil meant not touching or getting to cozy with a girl. After all, no girl ever got pregnant without holding hands with a boy first, right?

Despite being told girls were dangerous creatures, I had a few friends who were girls. I still correspond with one of them today. Several of  my girl friends became girlfriends, and after we broke up, because we ALWAYS broke up, we went back to being friends.

In the fall of 1976, I enrolled at Midwestern Baptist College to study for the ministry. Midwestern had strict rules against physical contact with the opposite sex. Girls, who were now young women, were considered dangerous, just like the temptresses and Jezebels at the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) churches I grew up in.

Seasoned pastors warned me, from the chapel pulpit and in my classes, that women were dangerous creatures that could bring down a pastor’s ministry and ruin his life. I was taught not to have female friends. I was taught to maintain my distance from the opposite sex lest I fall into sexual sin. Paul Vanaman , a crusty IFB preacher, taught young preacher boys that  “a stiff prick has no conscience.” While this statement has some truth to it, its implication is that having female friends results in sexual arousal.

Can friends cross the line and enter into inappropriate relationships? Sure. But, why did the IFB preachers of my youth and college years only worry about the opposite sex? Oh wait, I know, there are no gays in IFB churches. Instead of teaching me to embrace my sexuality and be responsible for it, they taught me to be weak and fearful of  women. (and this kind of thinking naturally flows from the notion of how sinful humans are)  They taught me that preachers who have affairs are like an ox to the slaughter. Instead of the shrill warnings about the slaughter, they should have taught me how to avoid the slaughter, how to have healthy relationships with the opposite sex.

What I wasn’t taught was to be a grown up, to be a man in control of his sexuality. Women were temptresses and I needed to avoid them. Yes, I had to be their pastor, but I was taught to avoid being too friendly with them. In fact, several noted preachers told us young preacher boys that we shouldn’t have ANY friends in the churches we pastored. Despite being warned, I did develop friendships with a few women in the various churches I pastored. Not many, but a few. In every way my life was enriched by having these friendships.

These days, I am free to have female friends without worrying about whether they are out to seduce me. (at my age, I can only wish) I am in control of my sexuality, in love with my wife, and satisfied and happy with our relationship. Both Polly and I have developed friendships with people of the opposite sex. We know what the boundaries are, and because we respect each other we don’t cross them. We do this out of love not fear.  Polly doesn’t fear a phone call or an email to me is an attempt by a woman to get her man. In fact, on some days, she would probably let them have me.

Published: July 28, 2014 | Comments: 0

Arguing with an Evangelical is Like Pissing Into the Wind

Pissing Into the Wind

As a blogger, one of the hardest things I’ve had to learn is to not argue, debate, or engage every fundamentalist/Evangelical that comments or sends me an email. When I started blogging, I was quite naïve. I thought if I just “explained” myself they would understand. I quickly found out that they didn’t want to understand. They didn’t leave a comment or send me an email to engage me in thoughtful discussion. They simply wanted me to know that they were right and I was wrong.

Then I went through the angry “I’m going to get in the last word” phase. I knew I had no hope of changing their mind, but I was going to make sure they knew exactly what I thought of their beliefs. These “discussions” proved to be quite exhausting, mentally and emotionally.  Finally, I decided to stop making any attempt to engage fundamentalist/Evangelical Christians. I have yet to see an Evangelical moved off their certainty as a result of something I have said or written. This is why when a fundamentalist/Evangelical Christian leaves a comment or sends me an email arguing for the inspiration/inerrancy/infallibility of the Bible, the first question I ask them is, have you read any of Bart Ehrman’s books? If they haven’t, I know it is a waste of time to have a discussion with them about the Bible. (inerrancy is intellectually untenable and inspiration is a faith claim)

Arguing with fundamentalist/Evangelical Christians is like pissing into the wind. Just mentally picture that the next time you feel the urge to argue/debate/engage a closed-minded, certain I am right fundamentalist/Evangelical Christian. And if you can’t picture that (I know this illustration is better suited to men) just remember the urban dictionary definition of pissing into the wind: Engaging in a pointless activity; something futile.

I subscribe to the law of diminishing return. After seven years of blogging, what value is there in engaging in endless, pointless, futile discussions or arguments with Evangelicals? I no longer feel the need to make sure I am “understood” because I now know that they don’t want to understand me. They just want to be right, and for them to be right means I am most certainly wrong. I would rather focus on helping people who have doubts/questions, are considering leaving Christianity, or who have already left Christianity. It’s all about deciding how best to use my time and what benefit is derived from engaging a fundamentalist/Evangelical Christian in a discussion.

People who deconvert from  fundamentalist/Evangelical Christianity often go through various emotional stages. Most often, anger is the first stage. I remember how angry I was after I left the faith. Angry about a wasted life, angry about the lies I was taught, and angry about how Christians treated me. While I think this stage was necessary for me, I came to see that I could not stay angry. Unrelenting anger will eat a person alive. Over time, my anger died and in its place came a calm, a sense that I was on the right path. While I can still have moments of anger, I am at a place in life where I know my writing has a purpose and helps others, so I am less inclined to get all worked up over people who make no attempt to understand me and the path I have taken. Instead, I use their comments and emails as opportunities to help others.

Bottom line? I got tired of having to change my pants all the time. I finally learned that it is better to turn my back to the wind and piss rather than piss into the wind.

Published: July 28, 2014 | Comments: 8

Girl in a Country Song by Maddie & Tae

In the following video, Maddie and Tae detail how women are often portrayed in country songs. They turn the country-bro mentality on its head.

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Published: July 28, 2014 | Comments: 1

Dear Christian: What Your Blog Comments Say About Your God

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In 2011, Stephen Hawking said:

“I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I’m not afraid of death, but I’m in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first,” he said.

“I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark,”

Hawking received a tremendous amount of vitriol from fundamentalist Christians. Roofer on Fire  compiled some of the comments Christians hurled Hawking’s way:


I am so sorry for you Stephen Hawking! At least I don’t need science to be there where I’m going when I die! The earth, cosmos and every living thing did not originate out of thin air with one atom and even you the genius can’t see that it… takes a genius to achieve simplicity (quote Bob Seger). Unfortunately, you don’t have that quality of genius! We are not computers, we are human and our brains are 100′s of times more complicated than a computer. Of course being the intellect that you are, go ahead and quantum leap anywhere you want but you’ll never achieve the leap to Heaven like me and others who are not just believers, but testifiers of a truth that your science will never begin to understand.

Well Stephen Hawking, even if you could prove there was no Heaven, I would think you were just failing a test From God himself. I’m sad with all God has given you, that you don’t know who to thank. Its not a matter of belief. God WAS, IS, and ALWAYS WILL BE.

If you chose not to believe in God, oh YOU WILL REGRET IT WHEN YOU ARE DEAD!!!

This dear person Stephen Hawking is in pain the kind only GOD can take I send up this Prayer please comfort my friend Stephen.And in your own unique way let him know you are there. Me and Facebook will do our part too by Praying showing him that GOD care’s. Stephen I like you and I think you are a very smart man may GOD Bless you your Pow for life O-dee

Dear Mr Hawking: You can continue to talk through your little computer and sound like a robot. Enjoy the rest of your life, talking crap while everyone feels sorry for you. I’ll only feel sorry for you when you find out there IS an afterlife….a good one and a bad one. And since you don’t believe in either, have fun in the bad one 

Mr. Hawking I don’t know if you even view this page, But I am here to tell you there is a God! And no matter how smart you think you are there is one that holds the key to Death and Hell. He is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords he is Jesus Christ. He is real! Act 2:38..If you would have Faith and Believe with me he can Heal you. He can make you whole. Sometimes he is waiting on us to make the first step. Some never will come to know Christ because they have so much hate lives. You can come to know him by – Repenting of your sins . Ask God to forgive you of your sins everyday. Even if we think we haven’t done anything wrong. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ . And he will give you the gift of the others the holy spirit. The evidence is that you will speak in other tongues . Don’t be afraid let it happen. That is God dwelling inside of you. You telling others there is no God you will have to answer to God for the lost souls you help send to Hell.

These fine folks represent the God who said in his divine book, called the Bible:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. (Ephesians 5:22,23)

Please, no comments suggesting these Christians don’t represent you or that they are not “real” Christians. They are in your family, so deal with it.  This kind of behavior is all too common. I have experienced it on this blog, in letters to the editor written about me, emails, and letters mailed to my home.

Christianity is best served when Christians shut up and live according to the teachings of Jesus. Matthew 5-7 would be a great place to start.  For some reason atheists bring out the worst in Christians. I wonder why that is?

Published: July 27, 2014 | Comments: 9

Mental and Emotional Conditioning in the IFB Church

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Guest post by Ian.

I have read several things lately that made me think of how I was conditioned, or manipulated, to think. I’m not talking about what to think, but the way I was made to think. By think, I mean believe what someone else told me to believe. There are several tools that can be used in the conditioning process.  They are the same tools used by motivational speakers, cults and anyone else who wants to control your thought processes. I would like to share four of them.

The first tool is emotional manipulation. When the pastor stands up to speak on Sundays and Wednesday nights, we are primed to believe what he has to tell us. The priming, or manipulation, was done by using music, prayer and testimonies (short praises about what God/Jesus had done during the week). All of this is done in a staged setting and is choreographed to induce the maximum level of readiness. As a child, and later as a non-participating adult, I had no idea that I was being manipulated.

When I did become part of the service, by leading music and speaking, I didn’t realize that I already knew how to manipulate people. I had been manipulated my whole life and I used the same methods on my fellow church goers, even though I didn’t realize it. Music is probably the biggest manipulator that the church has. If you look at a lot of the mega churches and churches with young people, you will find a thriving music program.

One of my most memorable emotional experiences was at a revival being held at Bible Baptist Church. The song leader worked us up pretty well and the last song we sang was “What A Day That Will Be”. I can still remember the feeling I got when we sang that song, and that was almost 30 years ago. At a different church, the pastor was having some difficulties with people challenging his authority, at the same time he was going through some health issues. One Sunday night, he told the church that he felt his time on earth was short and that he wanted to sing a song that had blessed him over the years. He sang the song “Sweet Beulah Land” and many of the people in the church were reduced to tears. This simple act helped quiet some of the turmoil for a little while. I know for sure that he was pretty sick at the time, so maybe he felt like he was ready to die. All I know is that he did the same thing once more, about a year later, during more unrest. He manipulated the situation using music and his health. I’m sure he was doing for “the good of the church”; but, it was still manipulation. That was 15 years ago and he is still around.

I never did anything like that, though I would gauge the mood of the people and use the music to get them emotional. When I led music, I would decide on a theme and choose songs based on that theme. Depending on what I wanted to happen, I might choose all fast tempo songs, except for the last one. I might choose two fast, two slow, and two fast. There were many things I could do with music to control the church group. Having a pianist who could follow my cues was important, and I had excellent pianists at the churches I participated in. There were even times I saw people get worked up and I wanted to continue the feeling, so I would trash my music list and pick songs that I knew would keep people in a worked up state. After services like that, people would tell me they felt the spirit working. There was a time I believed that. Towards the end of my time in church, when I had de-converted but not told anyone, I led a couple of services where “the spirit worked”. Part of me felt bad that I was manipulating people, part of me thought it was pretty cool that I could do it as a non-believer. I now feel totally bad that I manipulated people and don’t think it was cool at all. These were people who trusted me and I lied to them.

The second tool used in conditioning is being told we have no self-worth or goodness outside of Jesus and the church. In Calvinism and Reformed theology, this is especially prevalent. We are told that everyone is born a sinner and only through the blood of Jesus could we have a chance at being a decent person. I had questioned that, asking about millionaires who gave money away or missionaries from other religions who spent their lives helping the poor and needy. I was told that they were doing it for selfish reasons, to ensure that people would always remember them or to use the tax breaks that charities provide. Maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not. All I know is that someone who gives money to a school to help buy books is doing a good deed, no matter their motive. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is pouring millions into a toilet for desert areas. According to the Bible, this is a worthless endeavor without Jesus. I’m sure that the people who will reap the benefits of better sanitation don’t care if it is a Christian endeavor or not, it will improve their quality of life more than the most eloquent prayer.

Since we have no self-worth, according to the Bible, we are dependent on someone else tell us that we are good. Everyone wants to be told that they have worth and that is what people find at church. We all have failings, and some people are more affected by them than others. This is why people go to self-help gurus as well as to church. They want to be told that they are OK and everything will be fine.

Church is more dangerous than a self-help guru, though. It creates a mentally and emotionally abusive cycle that is no different from a person in an abusive relationship. Being constantly told that you are no good and deserving of punishment makes you feel bad; so when you are told a way to become better, you will do whatever it takes to please to one who has power over you. Whether this is the church or your drug addicted boyfriend/girlfriend makes no difference. They hold the keys to your happiness and they realize that they have enormous power. They will continue to do whatever it takes to keep this power over you. In an abusive relationship, the bad times are so bad that the good times seem like Heaven, Nirvana, or whatever pleasant place you can imagine. Leaving the person or organization that makes you feel good becomes almost impossible because you are emotionally damaged. The bad thing is that people stuck in this type of relationship can’t see it, even when it is explained to them.  Try telling a Christian that they are in an abusive relationship and see what happens.

The third tool used to condition people to believe what they are told is by always revealing a new truth. I can’t count how many times I was told of a new doctrine. Sometimes these were small things, other times they were huge. The leap from Arminianism to Calvinism was huge, finding out that women shouldn’t teach Sunday school to kids over 12 wasn’t so big. With few exceptions, the new truths were more restrictive and less mainstream. This goes back to the self-worth issue, we were always looking for a way to better please God. It seems that God (the pastor) is never happy with where you are in your spiritual life. (Unless, of course, you are one of his kids or were a founding member of the church.) He will continually find new things for you to believe and do. Having strange beliefs and practices isn’t too much of a problem for a pastor; after all, his job is to be a pastor. Often, though, these beliefs and practices have a huge impact on the congregation. I knew people who quit their jobs when they could ill afford it, based on a new truth from the pastor. Whatever these new truths are, there are always people who will follow them. I know of a church where they only refer to Jesus by title (Lord, Savior, Master, etc.,) rather than by name. Someone figured that since the Disciples only referred to him by title and demons called him Jesus, then all Christians should refer to him by title.

Instability is another tool used to condition a person’s thinking. This instability ties in to the first three ideas. When you are emotionally manipulated, mentally abused and always being told something new, you are never stable for very long. Your stability comes from the pastor and what he tells you that God is telling you.  Keeping you unstable allows an organization or person to exert much more power over you than if things remained the same all the time.

Now, I am not saying that every church leader has diabolical intentions. I’m sure that many people do these things and don’t realize that are conditioning people. Other people, though, are totally aware of what they are doing and enjoy the power they have. If you don’t believe me, think about a revival meeting or an old-fashioned tent meeting.  The first thing that happens is instability; you are there at odd times, after working all day. Then, you are emotionally worked up by the music and testimonies. During a revival, there aren’t usually any new doctrines taught, but you are certainly told that you are a sinner and in need of God’s forgiveness and grace.  Other tools come into play during this scenario- being tired, being hungry and loss of time (the preacher telling you to forget the clock, God has more for him to say and the time doesn’t matter right now). People respond to these tools by accepting Jesus as their savior, dedicating their lives to God or just repenting of their sinful ways. Money usually pours into the offering plates and people become faithful Christians again, for a while. The men who are professional evangelists are quite good at their craft and know exactly how to work the crowd. They are the modern version of snake oil salesmen.

There are other tools that people can use to condition your thinking, but these the main ones. These are the tools used week after week by pastors in IFB churches across the country. While in the pew, very few ever stop to think that they are being conditioned to blindly follow what they are being told. They read their Bibles and pray, but the tools have been used and their minds are open to believing the man in charge. When they challenge the pastor, the rest of the church is there to shut them down and help them fall back into the conditioning they have received.

Published: July 27, 2014 | Comments: 1

Louisville Bats vs Toledo Mud Hens July 20, 2014

Last Sunday, I attended, with my sons and grandson, the minor league baseball game between the Louisville Bats and the Toledo Mud Hens. As always, I had my camera with me:

Ted Power

Ted Power, pitching coach for the Louisville Bats, former pitcher for the Cincinnati Reds. Ted spent a good bit of time before each game signing autographs and talking to young autograph seekers.

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Louisville Toledo Baseball Game July 20 2014

Thomas Neal

Mike Hessman

Wade Gaynor

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Louisville Bats Toledo Mud Hens Baseball Game July 20 2014

Louisville Bats Toledo Mud Hens Baseball Game July 20 2014

Toledo Mud Hens Grounds Crew

Grounds Crew taking time out to “dance” for the crowd


Published: July 26, 2014 | Comments: 4

The El Corazon de Mexico Dance Club July 20, 2014

Last Sunday, I attended, with my sons and grandson, the minor league baseball game between the Louisville Bats and the Toledo Mud Hens. As always, I had my camera with me. On the main concourse I was delighted to find the El Corazon de Mexico dance club performing:

El Corazon de Mexico Dance Club

El Corazon de Mexico Dance Club

El Corazon de Mexico Dance Club

El Corazon de Mexico Dance Club

El Corazon de Mexico Dance Club

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I wish I had brought my 18mm-50mm lens. I didn’t expect to have an opportunity to take any close up photos. I took all of these with my Sigma 105mm lens. I had to fight the crowd to find open spots to shoot from. Lesson learned, be prepared for the unexpected.

Published: July 26, 2014 | Comments: 8