The Inevitable End of the Terri Saga

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Over the past few months, an Evangelical woman named Terri has repeatedly emailed me and left comments on this site. I asked her to stop emailing me, which she largely ignored, thinking what she had to say was more important than respecting my wishes. You can read my last two responses to Terri here and here.

Terri’s latest email to me is reproduced below. My response follows.

You emailed me after banning me from emailing you.

I emailed you to send you a notification of my post that mentions you. I do this for EVERY person I mention in a post.

You were not banned from emailing me or commenting on this site. I asked you to voluntarily stop emailing me. You have never been banned from commenting, though I have deleted some of your comments due to duplication or volume. Less is always better, and when a new reader starts leaving a plethora of comments, I am inclined to not post some of their comments. Again, less is better.

I have just one thing left to say.

Now, that’s not true. You have never had “one thing left to say” and that is certainly not the case with this email.

To express my disappointment in the way you brush off extreme violations to human rights, is an understatement.

Please provide evidence for your claim that I “brush off extreme violations to human rights.” I am confident that no evidence will be forthcoming, and longtime readers know the same. No, the real issue is that you are butthurt that I didn’t take your anecdotal stories at face value. Further, I made a lengthy defense of my position on religious persecution. Let me be clear, I have never denied the existence of religious persecution. What I object to is how Evangelicals (and Catholics) glamorize martyrdom, teaching children and adults alike that they may suffer persecution for the cause of Christ. This has led to millions of believers thinking that inconvenience or prosecution for breaking the law are persecution. They are not, as I made clear in my post. Not only that, I provided quotes from the leading scholar on Christian persecution, Dr. Candida Moss.

I responded to you dozens of times, including to your assertions about Christian persecution. I asked numerous questions, most of which you ignored. If you are unwilling to answer my questions or provide justification for your claims, forgive me for thinking you are a troll or an ignorant believer. I am not interested in your opinions or rationalizations. The same goes for your penchant for prooftexting. I am not expecting academic arguments from non-academics or uneducated believers, but I do expect Christians to answer the questions I ask them and interact with what I actually wrote.

I honestly had thought you were better than that. I was shocked and heartbroken 💔 at the glib cartoons you put up about “You are persecuting me!” after I mentioned something as serious as the wholesale slaughter of innocent people. Whether they be Christians, peaceful Muslims, or whatever, human rights are human rights.

Please see my comment above. The cartoon reflected how I view much of the persecution talk coming from American Christians. Want to change my mind? Engage my arguments. Better yet, buy Dr. Moss’ book, The Myth of Persecution, and give it a careful reading.

You are attempting to paint me in a bad light, all because I challenged some of your assertions. At no time did I say that religious persecution is not happening in the world.

But I guess your humanism only conveniently extends to those whose ideologies you agree with. 

*Sigh* You know this isn’t true so I assume you are just expressing your butthurtedness.

That was the most tone-deaf response, to reduce it all to a cartoon flippantly depicting very petty “Christians” complaining of “persecution” for nothing. 

It’s a fucking cartoon. The real issue is that you CHOSE not to respond to or engage my post — and this is not the first time you have done this.

You KNOW that was not at all what I was talking about. I honestly never thought you would respond in such a callous way. 

No, I don’t, and that’s why I asked you questions.

You don’t really know me, so you have no idea how I will or won’t respond to particular readers. Go back and read my posts and emails and see how many times you ignored my questions.

That’s all I have to say.

I know that’s not true.

I wish you well.

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Bruce Gerencser, 69, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 48 years. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist.

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6 responses to “The Inevitable End of the Terri Saga”

  1. What is it about the sheer, dogged persistence of religious types? Their approach reminds me of the tea question here in the UK. If you offer someone a cuppa, and they say no, don’t then go ahead and make them tea, and then have the audacity to expect them to drink it!

    It gets even worse if someone has tried tea, didn’t like it, and someone else still insists on making them tea. Take the hint and move on.

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    Jeff Bishop

    Hello Ben,

    What is it you ask about these religious types?
    IMHO these “types” (cultists is the verb I prefer to describe them), listen to focus on the family, or a televangelist, or
    read it in denominational newspaper, or blog, or website. They do not go “outside” the cult for information verification.

    The many derivatives of the Christian Cult start pumping children and new “fish” with Daniel in the Lions den, Shadrack, Meshack and Abednago, and other such stories, conflate it with the tyranny of Jewish treatment by Rome, and convince the fish that the “world” or non believers are hatchet welding persecutors set on their murder and destruction.

    This theme is ageless and pumped into the head of anyone that steps into any christian church within one or two visits.

    Whoa as me, if one is not in the cult, and takes objection to ANYTHING the cultists say or believe in, THIS is proof of the non believer persecuting the cultists.

    Russia under the Bolsheviks is another common theme. Yes Russia under communist rule discouraged religion, but christian’s seem to forget they discouraged ALL forms of religion, not just christianity.

    You see, anything but total quiescence to the cult means you, I and everyone else, are persecuting them.

    Never mind this country has allowed, since it’s formation, the cult to spread, grow and build over 300,000 church buildings, and observe their cult practices undisturbed. Has given them tax breaks and allowed the cult to use politics to deny rights to nonbelievers and the right of women to control their own bodies.

    But the persecution myth sounds and sells so darn good, and hoists the cult into a false martyrdom role that they absolutely relish.

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    Karuna Gal

    At least Terri knows how to write, even though she’s delusional. That’s probably due to being educated in Canada, where they haven’t defunded their public education and allowed Christian fanatics to take over their school boards.

  4. BJW

    I hope Terri reads this. We are not all atheists, Terri. We are a group of non-fundie people, who are skeptical of all claims made by fundies. Some of us, such as Bruce, are from that group. Some of us came from other denominations. Some of us are agnostic, humanists, universalists etc.

    But a lot of us know exactly what you think, as we also believed deeply in the past. Bruce and his people probably represent the essence of ungodliness to you. After all, we believe in equality. We believe in consent. We believe in acceptance. All of those concepts work against Christians like you, who want to put down Bruce. I’m here to tell you that the cachet of being so “godly” is showing how ungodly you all are.

    I used to think you all were good people. I was as wrong as I could be. Good people aren’t vicious racists. Good people aren’t cruel to people who deviate from what you like, and just want to be left alone. Good people don’t force pregnant women to nearly die instead of helping a woman having a MISCARRIAGE. Or you force children to have a baby, which is the hardest physical thing that could happen to an adult woman!

    Also, by not being respectful to the non-fundies, you are showing that you are far from humble, loving and kind. Nope, pride is all it is, pride in thinking you are better than others. It’s sickening and you are proving our points by your behavior. Your BEHAVIOR is what you need to be judged on. Want us to have interest in your God? Show us that you can truly love others…at least try.

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    Terri, a lot of us who grew up in fundamentalist Christianity heard a lot about “persecution”. We considered it to be persecution that the Supreme Court had determined that mandatory Christian prayers in public schools was unconstitutional. We thought it persecution that most religious people in TV shows were Catholic or high church priests (meaning, people with the little white collar); and that non-Catholic pastors were either Black or were portrayed as anti-intellectual. We thought it was persecution that public schools taught about evolution in science classes, but the Bible creation myth and “intelligent design” were not given equal billing. We thought it was persecution that we were supposed to treat LGBTQ people as equals with full rights. We thought it was persecution when liquor by the drink was allowed to be sold in restaurants. We thought it was persecution when stores were allowed to be open on Sunday. We thought a lot of things were persecution that weren’t.

    Bruce was making fun of those types of ideas. He wasn’t making fun of people actually suffering persecution but was rather pointing out that the term “persecution” is pretty broad in fundamentalist circles.

    I don’t think readers of this blog actually applaud real persecution of any people. On the contrary, we stand up for people who are actually being harmed. But some of us will make fun of silly things that some religious people consider persecution that aren’t really.

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    John S.

    Persecution is being shot or imprisoned because you refuse to renounce (or amend) your religious beliefs. This has been done by hyper-religious regimes (ex ISIS) as well as anti-theistic regimes (ex Soviet Union under Stalin). There are also grey areas too. In Poland, Catholic priests were imprisoned (ex St Max Kolbe) by the Nazis for being polish. Religion was secondary to racial make up.

    Even under the most liberal/secular government in the US, you can go to church, express your faith, observe religious holidays. Secularism like any other ideology can certainly be taken too far- example- no Islamic head covering in public, no wearing of religious symbols in public. This to me is the beginning of “persecution” but it is nowhere near the persecution that has been faced in the past. I usually draw the line when the motive appears to be suppression of personal religious practice, and begins to stray into the realm of bullying/poking in the eye. This to me is never virtuous, regardless of the reason. But there is also a difference between wearing a small crucifix necklace and placing a large crucifix on the wall of your classroom in a public school. One is a small personal expression, the other is a very large and overt statement by someone who has authority over others.

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