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Evangelical Pastor John Piper Tells Christian Women to “Submit” to Domestic Abuse

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John Piper, a notable Evangelical pastor and author, is known for his Calvinistic and complementarian beliefs. Piper believes married women should “submit” to their husbands in all things, even if they physically and/or verbally abuse them.

In the short video that follows, Piper is asked whether a married Christian woman should submit to physical and/or verbal abuse. Piper replied:

“If it’s [asking her to engage in group sex] not requiring her to sin, but simply hurting her, then I think she endures verbal abuse for a season, she endures perhaps being smacked one night.”

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Bruce Gerencser, 64, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 43 years. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist.

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    dale m.

    Didn’t Oral Roberts suggest that if you cannot discipline your wife, take her to the Middle East, force her to become a Muslim fundamentalist, then bring her back and enter Christianity again. But give it a year. They’ll beat some religious sense into her. These guys love to pick on the vulnerable.

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    “Simply” hurting her?

    I can think of about half a dozen horribly painful things for Piper to “simply” endure, but I’ll spare you the gory details.

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    What a fucking ass. Any woman who listens to him and is killed by her abuser…well, the blood is on his hands. And this man has a hard heart…I thought that was the ultimate sin.

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    I’m just quoting some author by the name of Mary Beth Bonacci. This lady is a Roman Catholic Author who advises young people about dating, sex and love and marriage. Tis is from the book entitled “Real Love” and this is on page 263 of the paperback edition. She made this remark about some woman just dating someone and not actually being married to them. ” If you are dating someone who has been either physically or emotionally abusive with you, get out. If anyone hits you, shoves you or in any other way threatens your physical safety, this is no one you want to be with,” This book was printed in 1996 and I don’t believe MS. Bonacci had ever been married at the time. It is pretty sad when some never married Catholic woman can give better advice about dating and marriage than some married Baptist pastor.

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      As if the church has any ability to control an abusive man. I assume they will talk with him and require he pray to god for forgiveness and help to end his abusive ways. Then they will counsel the woman to be a properly submissive wife to make sure he doesn’t get upset.

      Guilting an abuser into confessing to god then requiring his victim to forgive him and help him is nothing more that the church adding more abuse onto the victim.

      And We all know how abusive a church can be when they are trying to help you be a good christian

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    ... Zoe ~

    Piper: “If it’s [asking her to engage in group sex] not requiring her to sin, but simply hurting her, then I think she endures verbal abuse for a season, she endures perhaps being smacked one night.”

    Zoe: Huh? Oh boy, wait a minute? One can engage in group sex and that in an of itself isn’t a sin? Group sex is okay, just don’t sin?

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    Piper is the epitome of everything that is wrong with Christianity. He is a proponent of complementarianism and double predestination. He is dogmatic and arrogant in all of his views and unfortunately he has a big following including my brother who has also become dogmatic and arrogant.

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    I just finished reading Kristin du Mez’s “Jesus and John Wayne,” in which see addresses Piper and his role in advancing “complimentarianism” in white Evangelicalism. Of course, in reality, as she points out, “complimentarianism” is nothing different from authoritarian patriarchy given a more benign label. Piper’s son, Abraham, is a well-known atheist. No wonder with a father like John.

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    mr piper is disgusting. so he’d rather a woman be abused and her children witness it all for jesus. so sick of this. watched people over the years live this out and it is toxic and destructive. never ends well. no magic forgivenss and better behavior.

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