Several days ago, Tom, an Evangelical Christian, sent me the following email. My response is indented and italicized.
Since 2007, thousands of Evangelicals zealots have emailed me, sent me messages on social media, or left comments on this blog/Facebook/Twitter. Bloggers have deconstructed my life or exposed the errors of my way. Preachers have preached sermons exposing my apostasy and heresy. Each of them has an opinion about my writing, story, past and present life, or where I am headed after I die. I have come to accept that such treatment is the price I pay for daring to tell my story; for daring to speak about what goes on behind closed doors in Evangelical churches and parachurch ministries; for daring to publicize the criminal behavior — mainly sex crimes — of Evangelical preachers. How dare I share with readers my journey from Evangelicalism to atheism. Why can’t I just shut up and move on? some zealots say. They want to freely preach the gospel and share their conversion stories to anyone and everyone, yet atheists and agnostics are expected not to do the same. While there are increasing numbers of atheist blogs, websites, podcasts, and call-in shows, their presence pales compared to those of Evangelicals.
As long as I can figure out a way to type — which is becoming increasingly difficult for a myriad of reasons — I intend to keep writing. Since prayers — thousands of them over the years — to the Christian God asking him to stop my work have failed, Evangelicals might want to rethink how best to reach or stop me. Using the same worn-out arguments, pejorative statements, and character assassinations no longer works. There was a time when such things worked, psychologically wounding me, resulting in me shutting down my blog. That’s old history. This iteration of my blog is 6 1/2 years old. Thanks to years of counseling and support from many of you, I can see beyond verbal assaults (even death threats) by God’s chosen ones. Simply put, as long as I am breathing, I ain’t going away.
Now to Evangelical Tom’s (ET) email and my response.
Every publication in the world references the birth of Jesus Christ by placing the date at the top of the page. Have they conspired to place Jesus’ birthday on every page to make atheists look like fools? Ha ha… Even you’re forced to use Jesus’ birthday for every article you post. Why? The entire world’s calendar is based on the birth of Christ for a reason.
Tom is ignorant of the development of the calendar most of the world now uses. Currently, we use what is called the Gregorian calendar. Developed in the sixteenth century, the Gregorian calendar was based on the Julian calendar — a calendar used for 1,600 years. This calendar was adapted from the Roman calendar. Any cursory reading of history reveals that the “Christian” calendar’s foundation is non-Christian/secular/pagan. I am not an expert on this subject, but it took me all of five minutes to learn that Tom is — let me say this charitably — uninformed.
Tom asserts that “every publication in the world references the birth of Jesus Christ.” Yet, evidently, Tom has never heard of the Islamic calendar, Nepal Sambat, or Hebrew calendar — to name a few.
In a few sentences, I have shown that Tom’s calendar claims are not true. Besides, why does it matter what our calendar is based upon? Tom claims there is a “reason,” but he never gives it. In the future, he might start by stating on what date, exactly, Jesus was born. Was Jesus born on year zero? Nope. Historians generally believe Jesus was born between 6 BCE to 4 BCE. Surely Tom knows that the date of Jesus’ birth is NOT mentioned in the Bible. If the birth of Jesus is the monumental event Tom says it is, the Bible would tell us what day and what year the most important figure in human history was born. Yet, the Bible says nothing.
I do agree that Christians should be held to a higher degree of accountability for their wickedness, but rejecting God and his word is foolish. Your articles may serve a purpose by exposing tares who are impostors, but God is not to blame for the sins of men.
I assume Tom is referencing the Black Collar Crime series, which details the arrests and convictions of Evangelical preachers for criminal behavior (mainly sex crimes). I don’t believe I have ever said that the behavior of these miscreants played any part in my deconversion. Perhaps Tom missed the WHY? page — you know, the page that lists several posts detailing my reasons for walking away from Christianity.
Tom says that God is not to blame for human sin. However, the Bible teaches that God is the creator of everything. I wonder if Tom has ever heard about the sovereignty of God? You know, the belief that God is in control of EVERYTHING. And if the Christian deity isn’t in control of everything, he isn’t God. If God created everything, how is he not the creator of sin? If God controls every aspect of our lives, right down to knowing how many hairs are on our heads, how is he not responsible for our behavior? Evangelicals like Tom love to talk about an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful creator God, yet when it comes to bad shit Evangelical preachers do, hey, that’s on them, not God. If God is all that the Bible says he is, he could stop predator preachers from raping and molesting children; he could stop preachers from taking advantage of vulnerable women (and men). Yet, he does nothing. This is why most atheists are better people than the Bible God. If we saw someone sexually assaulting a child, we would do something about it. Silence is consent.
I actually agree with Tom. God is not culpable for vile criminal acts perpetrated by so-called men of God. The reason for this, however, is that there is no God. As an atheist and a humanist, I am a proponent of personal accountability and responsibility. But, unlike Tom, I don’t believe in a magic get-out-of-jail-free card called 1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Every preacher featured in the Black Collar Crime series prayed and asked Jesus to forgive them for their sins. God forgave them, and with a loving hug told them, be a nice boy and *wink wink* sin no more. Should we just set them free? If God has forgiven them, shouldn’t we? Of course not. Justice demands that criminal behavior be punished. What God allegedly says doesn’t matter.
My perspective is that you’re likely a reprobate who is consumed with writing about other reprobates. Correct me if I’m wrong and I’ll pray for God to have mercy on you.
According to Romans 1 and 2, a reprobate is someone who has crossed a moral line of no return. Once this line is crossed, a person can’t be saved. Tom thinks I am a reprobate. Why? Because I write the Black Collar Crime series. In Tom’s mind, exposing sex crimes by Evangelical preachers is a sure sign that I am a reprobate. Figure that one out.
Romans 1:28-32 describes the behavior of reprobates:
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Is there anything in this list of reprobate behaviors that remotely reflects how I live my life? Or is Tom just making shit up? Tom needs me to be a reprobate for my story to “fit” in his Evangelical box. If I am a kind, loving, thoughtful person — and I am — that means I am not a reprobate. I am just a good person who doesn’t need God, the Bible, or threats of judgment to treat others well.
I’m sure you’ve read this one a few times:
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
No, I have never heard that a “fool says in his heart there is no God.” That’s sarcasm, by the way. I have heard (and preached on) this verse countless times. The same goes for Psalm 14:1.
Here’s the problem with Psalm 53:1. The text says atheists are corrupt and do abominable acts. While this certainly can be said of some atheists, most unbelievers I know are good people. In fact, most atheists’ lives measure up with the best of Christians, albeit the sex is a lot better. Nothing like atheist sex, baby! 🙂 The Toms of the world need atheists to be bad people for their worldview to make sense. Atheists stand on the side of Satan and evil. We are an enemy that must be battled and defeated. What if we are, instead, just people with different opinions on God, Jesus, the Bible, and the afterlife? What if we are just people who have a different idea about what gives life meaning and purpose? What if Tom and others like him saw atheists and other unbelievers as they are instead of the caricature they have fabricated in their minds?
The only reason this blog exists is because of the psychological harm caused by Fundamentalist Christian interpretations of the Bible. If Evangelicals stopped trying to shove their religion down the throats of unbelievers, stopped trying to force people to follow the immoral teachings of the Bible, and stopped trying to turn the United States into a Christian nation, I would shutter this blog and never write another word. If Evangelicals stopped abusing people psychologically (and, at times, physically), I wouldn’t have anything to write about. That Evangelical beliefs and practices continue to cause harm is incontrovertible. As long as this is true, I intend to keep sharing my story and keep giving my honest critiques of the one true faith. Call me a “fool” all you want. Calling me names will not silence me. Now, you could buy my silence. Tom, please make that $1,000,000 check payable to Bruce Gerencser. After receiving your check which clears your bank, I will stop writing for this blog (and that million-dollar price for silence is available to any of my critics). Time to put your money where your mouth is.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
I have never, ever heard John 3:3 before. *sigh* Tom sure showed that Evangelical-turned-atheist Bruce Gerencser, right? The “mighty” inspired, inerrant, infallible King James Bible says:
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)
Yep, just hearing John 3:3 has brought me to my knees. I am laughing hysterically at the notion that just quoting words from an ancient religious text will somehow magically cause me to change my mind about God/Jesus/Bible/Christianity. Besides, I thought Tom said I was a reprobate. Doesn’t that mean that quoting the Bible to me is a waste of time? Hmm … maybe, just maybe, Tom is talking to himself. Maybe he has doubts, and by preaching to me, he is trying to reinforce his beliefs and prop up his faith.
What, exactly, did Tom hope to accomplish by emailing me? I have posed this question to other Evangelical zealots more times than I can count. I am not low-hanging fruit. There’s no chance that I will return to Evangelicalism. Even God himself, the big three-in-one, can’t make me return to the leeks and garlic of Egypt. I’ve been to the Promised Land, and I ain’t coming back. I have done my homework and concluded that the central claims of Christianity are not true. I have heard every possible argument for the existence of God and the truthfulness of Christian beliefs. I can’t imagine a zealot coming up with a new (or improved) argument. Christians have had almost fourteen years to change my mind, yet I remain unconvinced, an unrepentant atheist. Will this fact keep Evangelicals from contacting me? Of course not. Why? Because it has never been about me; it’s about them and their need to be right.
A Sinner Saved by Reason,
Has this Tom person ever written before, Bruce ? It certainly is a pertinent question, if he truly believes you’re a reprobate, why bother to throw the above Bible verses at you ? Especially since you were a Bible student for many years, and are familiar with every one Tom cites. You both know what ” born again” entails. Why bother to quote that one at you ? Why do you bother, Tom ?? Are you from a Southern state ? I know they are big on nagging. A church on every corner, yet the meanest in the country, hands down ! What DO you hope to accomplish, Tom. ? So many people have visited this blog, with arrogant statements that don’t exactly encourage one to ever want to get close to God, so how come it’s only such types– ” correct me if I’m wrong, and I’ll pray for God to have mercy on you, “– you huff. The problem with those Bruce writes about, is while most outside their respective churches and culture have no use for them, they may not be ironclad reprobates. Bible schools are churning out such people, include these teachers and officials on the list of reprobates. Personally, I will state here that Europe hijacked the two testaments and books that came after, and wrecked the known world with the Bible. To ravage whole continents for slaves and land, and treasure. I never hear pastors criticize these historical figures. So that when non- Europeans see the Bible, they don’t think of God, they think of Whites !! If God and Jesus are sovereign, why let the Whites destroy a creed like Christianity ? God’s image took a beating, for 500+ years. And almost a billion deaths. Justify it ! I myself am not an atheist. So, how do YOU plead ?
Hey Bruce, I really enjoy reading your blog. I sure hope you do not stop any time soon. Above, I believe you have a word missing, and it should read, “This is why most atheists are better people than the Bible God.”
Thanks for pointing out the missing word. ❤️🥰
So Tom, it’s obvious you aren’t highly educated. If you were you would do more research instead of blinding asserting all kinds of non-facts. If you do have a college degree, maybe you should use it.
The arrogance of evangelical Christians is on full display with this guy. Sadly I recognize my former self to a degree. Back then I was convinced I knew the truth and most of the rest of the world, including most of those who claimed to be Christians, were deluded and bound for hell. This was constantly reinforced by my church and family. My arguments for my beliefs were not unique or special in any way but in my arrogance I refused to see this. After all if you have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe you must be pretty special.
Just want to add that, as ever, I love to read your eloquence and reason as you reply to all these fundies who just know it all, about jesus and about you personally. I wish I could do it half as well. I went to church last Sunday when staying with small g/kids. Still thinking how I could have challenged the beloved young preacher who gave us 45mins of nothing-worth-saying and waxed eloquent himself, well he thought so anyway about faith. Apparently we all have faith that a chair we’re about to sit on will support our weight, so next time, our faith in chairs is increased???….so faith in jesus is the same…exercise it and it gets stronger???? Also we shouldn’t be depressed when things go wrong in our lives, like sickness, family troubles or the government passing laws on equality for LGBTQTIA+ folk…just have faith and trust, like we do in chairs????? You couldn’t make it up!
Lol, the type of christians I most find funny is the type that come with the “i love you” or “correct me if I’m wrong” or “i don’t mean to be rude” etc phrases. Those are cover ups, the real agenda being to snatch u up for their deity, real love comes solely from an individual, not because a book says u should love. Anyways for the reprobate issue, I can only laugh. I love it how Bruce says it as it is, they need atheists, agonists and people of other religions (including the Catholic, Mormon and other sects) to be wicked evil doers with their hearts at their backs, cause that’s what the religion tells them. They cannot fathom the idea that morality and humanity are separate from their very particular kind of religion. In real life, atheists and agonists are better pple, more loving, generous and kind than any Christian can be, infact, I found out through experience that Muslims even love better than the so called true religion. Well, they can keep patting themselves on the back for comfort, truth remains the truth, reality is reality. Peace ☮️
as usual, Tom is yet one more example of Dunning Kruger. Poor thing, I’m sure he’s aghast that the days of the week are largely about the Norse pantheon, so he’s being made look like a fool every single day.
and as usual, always good to see Christians call people fools when their supposed messiah tells them that is naughty.
I don’t suppose it’s occurred to Tom that these are all things that everybody here has heard hundreds of time before… No? I didn’t think so. At this point, it’s not so much that I agree with Bruce on this (though I do) but that I read the recycled assertions of Tom and other like him and I yawn. Heard that before, didn’t find it convincing then, don’t find it convincing now. Those of us who used to be Christian and no longer are, it’s not because we never heard these things.
Wake me up when you can give me an actual reason to believe what you’re saying, Tom.
Hi, Tom! You’re wrong. Consider yourself corrected.
You’re welcome.
Bruce, I don’t know how you have the patience to reply to those who want to berate you for no longer being part of their religion.
One thing I find with religious zealots is that they cannot (or will not) recognize that nonbelievers do not find authority in their particular sacred texts. They can quote verses at us all day long, and those verses are just as meaningful to me as quotes from Harry Potter would be to the religious zealot.
This is the the type of thinking applied by evangelicals, it is ‘magical logic’ in the same way as magical thinking.
Does he not realise that not everywhere in the word celebrates Christians, or Easter? He assumes that if something happens in Western Europe or America then it must happen across the rest of the flat earth.
Bruce, the more I see of folks like Tom, the more I see that their efforts to “bring you back to Jesus” are based on a profound disrespect of you. They think they can help you “see the light,” as if you have poor judgment or been deluded or reading the Bible the “wrong” way, or are simply stupid or evil. Not a single one knows the Bible better than you; more important, none knows of your integrity and character. All they see is a vessel that is empty due to the absence of God.
Oh, and they all would have failed my classes. They remind me of those students who cite facts or figures, or quote something, without explaining how those facts, figures or quotes support (let alone prove) their opinions, let alone any point that could be made. (Yes, a few used Bible verses.) Or the people who say “Second Amendment” to justify owning a firearm, or the First for expressing their hatred (often in coded language) toward people of different gender identities, sexual orientations, races, ethnicities or religious traditions from their own.
Not to mention that their syntax is, at times, all but indecipherable.