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Christians Say the Darnedest Things: Bill Muehlenberg Says Atheists Hate His God, Regardless of What They Say

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Yes, they [atheists] actually do hate God [the Evangelical Christian deity].

Having just penned another piece on the war against God, I of course got the usual angry atheists writing in with their fists flying [likely a gross exaggeration]. They hate it when you dare challenge their derelict worldview. And they always go on about how they do not really hate God. Yeah right. [Are you calling us liars, Bill? Why can’t you accept our stories at face value, just like we do yours?]

Of course they hate God. Their entire life screams out this hatred. And it is no wonder: when they are told that they are NOT the centre of the universe, but only the one real and living God is, that incenses them. That outrages them. Atheists hate it when you point out the truth that there can be only one true God. And the reasons are obvious:

They want to be king, not subject.
They want to rule, not be ruled.
They want to give orders, not take orders.
They want to call the shots, not be told what to do.
They want to determine what is true and false, not God.
They want to determine what is right and wrong, not God.
They want to be independent, not dependent.
They want to do their own will, not God’s will.
They want to live like the devil, not God.
They want to rule in hell, not serve in heaven.

Scripture of course often speaks about atheists. Twice in the Psalter for example they are called “fools” because they refuse to recognise God (Ps. 14:1 and 53:1). Rejecting their creator – and judge – is the height of foolishness. And this is a deliberate, defiant rejection of God.

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These people are “haters of God”. They know God exists, they know they have moral obligations to recognise this reality and live accordingly, but they refuse to – that is why they hate him so much. They are guilty and they know it.

Atheists do not spend all their time and energy hating on and railing against flying spaghetti monsters for the simple reason that they know there are no such things. But they DO know that God exists, and they hate him for it. If God exists, then they cannot be god.

— Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch, Romans 1 and Atheism, June 23, 2022

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17 responses to “Christians Say the Darnedest Things: Bill Muehlenberg Says Atheists Hate His God, Regardless of What They Say”

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    Jeff Brown

    Oh for the love of the the nonexistent of your little god we have determined his existence is unfounded. No proof, no god.

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      theologyarchaeology

      Absence of evidence is not evidence for absence- key words to think about as you can be proven not to exist very easily. When you deny the existence of someone that i snot an act of love but hatred.

      Then for the numbers article– God punished David for taking a census. Do not blame God for the actions of people.

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        Bruce Gerencser

        “Absence of evidence is not evidence for absence”-

        This is only said by people who have no evidence for their claims.

        “key words to think about as you can be proven not to exist very easily.”

        No, I can’t. There is far more evidence for my existence than Jesus’s. And as far as God. . . you can see me, touch me, talk to me, eat with me, drink with me . . . God can do none of these things.

        If you want to believe Casper the Christian Ghost is real, that’s fine. However, the people who read this blog expect evidence, verifiable evidence. That you can’t provide it is telling.

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        Sage

        “ When you deny the existence of someone that i snot an act of love but hatred.”.

        Wow, thank you for finally agreeing with the very thing we non binary and trans people have been saying for a long time. Finally you agree that the way Christian’s treat us is hatred and this constant drive to deny our existence is simply hateful.

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        Astreja

        Absence of evidence may not be evidence for absence, but it’s an adequate reason to say “I don’t believe it exists.”

        And if I don’t believe that something exists, it’s ludicrous to claim that I hate it. Perhaps I dislike it as a concept or as a literary character, but that’s as deep as the emotion goes.

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    Astreja

    Ah, yet another Christian who missed the lecture on “Thou shalt not bear false witness.”

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    Sage

    I believe the he has totally missed the point of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Google is your friend….

    I don’t hate a god who doesn’t exist. I do have strong negative feelings toward the Christians who love their bigotry in thei gods name.

    As for the rest of his suspect claims:

    They want to be king, not subject. – nope, don’t need to be king.
    They want to rule, not be ruled. – nope, happy to just do me.
    They want to give orders, not take orders. – I choose option 3..just be me
    They want to call the shots, not be told what to do.- nope..repetitive much??
    They want to determine what is true and false, not God.- yep, no need for a fake god and fake god rules
    They want to determine what is right and wrong, not God.- yep, don’t need go for this either
    They want to be independent, not dependent. Yep…we call it freedom here.
    They want to do their own will, not God’s will.- yep, can’t follow what isn’t real
    They want to live like the devil, not God.- nope, no need to copy fake deity’s
    They want to rule in hell, not serve in heaven.- wait, wait…I can rule in hell??? I missed that one in the Bible,

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    dale m.

    Bill M. is beginning to run out of ideas. He recently posted a title : ATHEISTS SAY THE DARNDEST THINGS : He’s targeting Bruce and obviously reading his blog …. incognito. You have to laugh.

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    Karen the rock whisperer

    How very authoritarian! But it’s clear that unbelievers are not the intended audience of his preaching, authoritarian believers are. He’s eviscerating one of their favorite strawmen.

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    ObstacleChick

    Oh, bless his little heart (yes, I mean this in the condescending backhanded way I learned in the South). I don’t hate any nonexistent deities. I do hate how fundamentalist religious people use their nonexistent deities as weapons to oppress and harm other people. Look around the world and see how much harm fundamentalist religion does to women, to LGBTQ people, to children, to “outgroup” people. That’s what I am mad about.

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  7. Brian

    Amazing how dingalings delight in deciding just what some stranger (me and you) believes or not. Evangelical belief is all about disrespect for common decency.

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  8. sjl1701

    Oh yes I “hate” god. The same way i hate Darth Vader, those poor padawans; the Easter Bunny, his chocolate quality is not good; and Zeus, you would think when he’s flinging lightning bolts around he could hit Kenneth Copelands plane.

    Bill ole boy, we’re tired of being told we secretly believe in your god. We don’t. And I’m done with being told I want to be part of a kingdom. Umm Nope. Kings are no longer a political system that works for humans. And Donald Trump, that includes you. Try finding an actual argument. Until then you’re not worth the time.

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      Lacy

      SJL1701- For the win: “and Zeus, you would think when he’s flinging lightning bolts around he could hit Kenneth Copeland’s plane” and the runner up-: “Easter Bunny, his chocolate quality is not good” I was drinking orange juice at that moment and now my dog, who was sitting across the room needs a bath. 😉

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    April

    I hate the dogma & toxic teachings of the Fundamentalists, no mistaking that. It has not made the world a better place, building fences instead of bridges…”we’ve got the true church”..everyone else in an enemy deceived..oh yes, I hate so much of the religious poison. It also occurred to me while reading this guy’s list..that all of those things apply to preachers/pastors! LMAO I’m thinking some projection is going on here? So…the list..
    *They want to be king, not subject.—-so many preachers have made themselves kings in their churches.
    *They want to rule, not be ruled.—–Most pastors are rulers in their little fiefdoms they call “church”.
    *They want to give orders, not take orders.—–Pastors order people around a LOT! LOL
    *They want to call the shots, not be told what to do.—-most pastors call the shots in their little bubble they’ve constructed
    *They want to determine what is true and false, not God—OK this is OBVIOUS, LOL pastors are the arbiters of “truth” in their bubble.
    *They want to determine what is right and wrong, not God.—same as above…
    *They want to be independent, not dependent.—-“INDEPENDENT Fundamentalist Baptist churches…” needs no explanation
    *They want to do their own will, not God’s will.—–the pastor’s will is usually the same as “God’s will” smh :/
    *They want to live like the devil, not God.—-if living like the devil is not capitulating to the religious gestapo & their never ending rules=”sins” that cause fears and phobias in people, then I guess so. BTW This is not the only option pal! A False dilemma fallacy.
    *They want to rule in hell, not serve in heaven.—-Ridiculous! we just want to live our lives in peace, which we know YOU wont allow because your god LOVES war, everyone who doesn’t capitulate or drink the koolaid is the “enemy”. And your god is always getting pissed off over petty bullsh!t. BTW, your “god” is a construction of MEN, not real, as real as the tooth fairy…but for the sake of argument I use the word “god”.

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    Brocken

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWENCH6xskc The claim that atheists attack those with fists flying is totally untrue. Sarcasm and snark alert. From the 1969 movie Marlowe obvious atheist Winslow Wong ( played by martial arts great Bruce Lee) attacks obvious evangelical Christian Philip Marlowe( James Garner) using drop kicks to try to first intimidate and then later kill Philip Marlowe. Unfortunately for Winslow Wong his target sidesteps at the last minute and Winslow Wong goes over the side of the skyscraper and falls to his death.

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  11. Al Cramer

    Interesting web site, and interesting comments on this post! As an old white American dude who was raised Episcopalian but has been practicing Buddhism for the last 50 years, I’m not sure I can add anything of value. But I just wanted to say: there’s so much anger going on here! And beneath that, I think, so much pain. It’s especially notable in Bill Muehlenberg’s piece. I just wanted to remind everybody that we can let all that shit go.
    It’s really hard because to let go of the anger, you must let go of the pain that underlies it, and to do that means you have to re-experience it, which can be profoundly horrible, But it can be done!

    Best of luck to everyone,

    Al Cramer

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      Yulya Sevelova

      Who is Bill Muehlenberg ?

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