Over the past week, Dr. David Tee, a Fundamentalist preacher whose real name is Derrick Thomas Thiessen, unleashed two vitriolic rants about transgender women on his blog. You can read his posts and my response here and here. Showing his inability to feel shame, Thiessen unleashed yet another post today about transgender women.
The Netherlands just happens to be the most recent country to say: The best-looking woman is…. a MAN.[Subjectively, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There is no objective standard for “best-looking woman (or man.) ]
If this problem was not so serious [It’s not, but Tee is convinced, despite evidence to the contrary, that transgender women (and LGBTQ people in general) are an existential threat to Western civilization Transgender demographics], we [I] would be laughing not only at this contestant but all those who support it. What partial;y [sic] bothers [how is someone partially bothered?] us [me] is that the real women [heterosexual] in this and other contests are not feeling insulted by this decision. [Maybe because they aren’t homophobic bigots as Tee is?] Nor are the rest of the women in the world.
This is a very serious insult [No, I suspect most women think being called a bitch or cunt to their face is a serious insult.] made against [heterosexual] women. To think that a man pretending to be a woman is declared the most beautiful [beauty is not the only criterion for winning a beauty contest.] in the Netherlands or other countries that allow fake [transgender] women to enter these contests.
We [I] saw the 1st runner-up and there is no way [again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder] that the ‘winner’ was more beautiful than her. [Why is Tee watching beauty pageants to start with? Personally, I am not a fan. Is not Tee lusting by looking at other women in this matter? Besides, I thought inner beauty is what Evangelicals valued most?] It is a travesty and a tragic turn of events to allow a pretender [transgender woman] to get the throne [crown]. However, we [I] cannot laugh because [I get a boner every time I watch a beauty pageant] this [transgender] person and many like him [her] as well as their [her] supporters are just thinking about evil and doing evil just like it was in the days of Noah. [Evidently, Tee is a mind reader. He is usurping God, is he not, when he says he knows what is in the hearts of transgender women and their supporters? Of course, there was no such thing as the “days of Noah.” Genesis is fiction, David. How many times do I need to tell you this?]
They [Transgender women] are also not getting the mental health therapy [because many of them don’t need it. And those who do have a hard time paying for it or finding a therapist trained in their specific needs.] Because the liberals, democrats, and others on the left champion the so-called [actual, constitutional] rights of these mentally ill [everyday, ordinary people], they are barred from receiving the proper help [Biblical counseling, reparative therapy, casting out of demons].
No [bigoted, homophobic] Christian should be happy with this situation as these contests insult your wives, daughters, mothers, and sisters. They also rob those and other women of opportunities and awards that are rightfully theirs. [What, to win a fucking crown or get their 15 minutes of fame? I have a wife, sister, daughters, and daughters-in-law. Not one of them thinks a beauty pageant-winning transgender woman has robbed them of anything. Tee is projecting his homophobic bigotry on heterosexual women.]
It is not Christian love, loving your neighbor, or loving others as Jesus loved [Jesus had absolutely nothing to say about LGBTQ people. Tee knows this, but he projects his homophobic bigotry on Jesus too.] when you support these mentally ill people [transgender women]. Then allow them to practice their delusions in public as well as include them in events they have no right entering.
Supporting these people is not making a healthy society but destroying it.
“They treat us as monsters.” They are monsters for only a monster would mutilate their bodies [gender reassignment surgery] and let their delusions rule their lives. [Many transgender people never have gender reassignment surgery.] Only monsters would ruin events for innocent real women and erase women from society. [OMG! Transgender women are “erasing” heterosexual women from society? Compare the number of transgender women in America — less than one percent — to the number of heterosexual, lesbian, and bisexual women. Why, this is akin to saying Mauritius is an existential threat to the United States.]
But as Christians, we are to treat them like we want to be treated thus these people need to be sent to therapy [forced reeducation camps], and barred [locked up in prison] from entering mainstream society until they are cured of their delusions. They are not to be supported in this manner but housed, fed, and treated like human beings who are sick and in need of a doctor.
At no time can we support their desires because those desires are sinful, wrong, and not biblical [The United States and Western society, for the most part, are secular. What the Bible says plays no part in law and governance.] They harm innocent women through their inclusion and demands to be included and seen as women [the record is skipping, David. Bump the record player]. There is nothing Christian in them that can be supported. [Of course, the same can be said about Tee; a man who abandoned his family; a man who fled the United States to avoid legal problems; a man who didn’t pay child support for his child; a man who routinely shows no evidence of the fruit of the Spirt and daily ignores and disobeys Jesus’ teachings on how to treat transgender women.]
They need proper spiritual help to overcome these fantasies. They also need to be banned from all things related to women. [Jesus, talk about being all Hitler-like about transgender women.] The reverse is true if there are women pretending to be men. [Tee wants all transgender people to be incarcerated until they are “cured.”]
While we [I] do not condone hate messages or threats [liar, liar, pants on fire], we [I] also do not like these people forcing their delusions on society. [Using Tee’s illogical logic, how are transgender women any different from Evangelicals who try to force their delusions on society? Should we have them arrested and incarcerated until they are cured of their delusions?] Or forcing society to accept their pretend identities are normal. They are not normal but deep cries for help.
Including them in these and other female events is NOT providing the help they need. We need to protect our women from this psychological invasion of those who cannot accept themselves for who they are and how God made them.
The LGBTQ preferences are sinful, not normal, not biblical and not to be supported or accepted. The only thing we can do with and for these people is to treat them as Jesus would and get them the correct help they need [and arrest and incarcerate them until they see the “light.”]
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Bruce Gerencser, 67, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 46 years. He and his wife have six grown children and sixteen grandchildren. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist.
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As ever, you deconstructed his hateful, angry little posts brilliantly!
Ok, seriously. Pick a pronoun and stick with it. This guy alternates between “it”, “him”, and “their”. We get it, pronouns are hard, but they aren’t THAT hard.
He has a serious obsession with trans women. All of these repetitive anti trans woman diatribes must be coming from from some odd inner turmoil. Something has really triggered him.
When he discovers non-binary people then his head will implode.
Mr Tee certainly does have a problem with his pronouns, doesn’t he! He even confuses his own I with we, so it’s no wonder he can’t get his head round more challenging ones. I’ll lay odds he can’t speak the language of the country he lives in as learning a foreign language requires a very firm understanding of pronouns.
To revisit a comment posted some time back, Derrick’s pronoun usage is not entirely inconsistent with his circumstances. At least as far back as the mid-1990s, he acknowledged (a) hearing voices that no one else could hear, (b) frequently following their instructions, and (c) refusing treatment because an unnamed minister told him “not to worry about them.” Hence, “we” is presumably him and the voices.
Nah … his bigger problem is with having rules of polite society imposed on him, versus rules of grammar.
Tee’s response:
https://theologyarchaeology.wordpress.com/2023/07/18/responding-to-a-response-2/
“ Attacks on Christians have gone up around the world, yet you do not see news stories where Christians have risen up and attacked or killed LGBTQ people or their supporters. Christians leave the decision to accept Christ as their savior in the realm of free choice.”
Tee has got to be joking! Ye gods, the guy is seriously delusional. There are numerous websites devoted to attacks and killings of LGBTQ people, and even where they haven’t been directly and immediately attributable to Christian terrorists, there’s no doubt that the hatred is inspired by (erroneous) Christian beliefs. On top of this, there are also 491 state generated anti LGBTQ bills in the US. Pathetic doesn’t begin to describe this nonsense.
He’s such a hypocrite. How can he proclaim support for women, whilst desiring to deny them bodily autonomy when it suits him.
Here’s another fun bit of hypocrisy: he has roughly the same opinion of gay people that he does of transgender people. He once lived for several months with people who took him in, fed him, sheltered him, and tended to his needs, all with no expectation that he would reciprocate.
They were a gay couple. And the surviving one of them (the other passed several years ago) is utterly appalled to have acted the part of Good Samaritan, only to subsequently be aggregated with the entire LGBTQ population that Derrick directs his acrimony toward. (I once asked him about that … he angrily denied ever having denigrated the two men.)
I am not surprised of his attitude, nor his double-standards. I consider him beyond reason at this stage.
I have never once been harmed by a transwoman. Yet I have been harmed by some cis heterosexual white males.
I still don’t understand why these conservatives get so worked up about transgender people. Is it that they are too worried about getting a boner when they see a transgender person?
And no, a transwoman winning a pageant is NOT an insult to me.
Back in 1979, Janice Raymond’s “The Transsexual Empire” was published. Some of us call it “The TERF* Bible.”
I read it a couple of years after it was published. I was nowhere near “coming out” as a trans woman (and, in fact was doing everything I could to avoid such a thing). But even then, when the number of trans women who were living as women was a fraction of today’s infestimally small number, her premise that trans women were trying to “take over” “real” women’s spaces, seemed ludicrous to me.
She made all of the same “arguments”—without the Biblical references, but in about 50,000 more words—as “Tee”’s. I don’t know of any trans woman who tried to “take” anything from a “real” woman. (A long friendship ended, in part, because the ex-friend—who got a certificate in Gender Studies with her graduate degree—believed that I transitioned just so I could get a job teaching GS or Women’s Studies that should rightfully go to someone like her.)
As for the therapy Tee thinks we need: Most of us who were able to get it needed it—and, in some cases, continue or resume it after our transitions—not because we’re “deluded” but rather to deal with the trauma too many of us carry from experiences ranging from verbal bullying to sexual violence and even threats on our lives in our schools, churches, families, workplaces and other communities. Too often, those traumas were inflicted on us by “good Christians.”
TERF: Transgender Excluding Radical Feminists
“[No, I suspect most women think being called a bitch or cunt to their face is a serious insult.]”
Let’s just say I have it on good authority that he does not agree.
(Apologies for the multiple comments, Bruce; I read this separately.]
But as Christians, we are to treat them like we want to be treated thus these people need to be sent to therapy [forced reeducation camps], and barred [locked up in prison] from entering mainstream society until they are cured of their delusions.
Hey Derrick, you know who else your average Christian congregation thinks needs to be barred from mainstream society until they are cured? People with mental illnesses. Like the ones that manifest with hearing voices that aren’t there.